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Does it really end up costing $2,000?! Pipe and can are "only" $1,000 but their website recommends another $1,000 in clutching and fuel management.
 

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Does it really end up costing $2,000?! Pipe and can are "only" $1,000 but their website recommends another $1,000 in clutching and fuel management.
Yes, per their (Starting line) web site the cost is $2,207.55 for part number SKU: Outlaw stage 1 https://www.startinglineproducts.com/outlaw-twin-pipestm-stage-1-2019-20-polaris-850-rmk-and-sks-155.html

Keep in mind that Eric Woog noted that you will melt plastic as well so factor that into your final price as well and its only good for over 5000' elevations.
 
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Yes, per their web site the cost is $2,207.55 for part number SKU: Outlaw stage 1 https://www.startinglineproducts.com/outlaw-twin-pipestm-stage-1-2019-20-polaris-850-rmk-and-sks-155.html

Keep in mind that Eric Woog noted that you will melt plastic as well so factor that into your final price as well and its only good for over 5000' elevations.
did you go with their clutching recommendations for that pipe? jason suggested a 62/42 160/260 sec setup for 6/7000 feet but hes unsure as hes hasn't tested at that eleavation.
I noticed slp recommends just their weights and blu pink prim spring for their twins.
 

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did you go with their clutching recommendations for that pipe? jason suggested a 62/42 160/260 sec setup for 6/7000 feet but hes unsure as hes hasn't tested at that eleavation.
I noticed slp recommends just their weights and blu pink prim spring for their twins.
Hey Snobyrd,
I will be testing some different clutching for this combo soon at different elevations. So until then, I hold mine recommendations until I have 1st hand experience. I will say I like Strightline's kits and components, they have good adjustable weights and that is the 1st step on any sled to help get your target rpm for your elevation even if your using the stock helix. They are quick and easy to adjust and when weighed on my gram scale were very accurate compared to the factory weights. I will add some pics later of the differences and how off factory ones (mass produced) can throw off the balance and cause vibration you can feel in the bars.
Next part of your question about spring rates; everyone wants something a little different when it comes to engagement. What I like for example is smooth predictable transitions to power, this allows me to slow down, or stop, pick lines with out worrying about trenching and more. Some people like a much higher initial engagement, that takes off like a snow cross sled. Helix and secondary spring is the same thing, I like quick backshift, improvements in acceleration, etc. So to answer your question accurately I recommend that when you call a performance company, help them by knowing what your wanting from a kit and they can help set you up with the right wieghts, primary and secondary springs and helix. Do you primarily hill climb (pinned wide open), boondocking, sidehilling (in & out of throttle)? A side note: springs are cheap, buy a couple to fine tune to your liking or come ride with me, I have boxes of them you can try ;) I will get into a lot more in clutching later. For now I need to take my dog out of state to a vet specialist. When you go to their web site, you can find the basics to their kits based on elevations: https://www.straightlineperformance.com/snowmobile/polaris/850-axys/2019-20-polaris-axys-850-clutch-kit-144-175-track-6000ft-part-123-146/
 

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Hey Snobyrd,
I will be testing some different clutching for this combo soon at different elevations. So until then, I hold mine recommendations until I have 1st hand experience. I will say I like Strightline's kits and components, they have good adjustable weights and that is the 1st step on any sled to help get your target rpm for your elevation even if your using the stock helix. They are quick and easy to adjust and when weighed on my gram scale were very accurate compared to the factory weights. I will add some pics later of the differences and how off factory ones (mass produced) can throw off the balance and cause vibration you can feel in the bars.
Next part of your question about spring rates; everyone wants something a little different when it comes to engagement. What I like for example is smooth predictable transitions to power, this allows me to slow down, or stop, pick lines with out worrying about trenching and more. Some people like a much higher initial engagement, that takes off like a snow cross sled. Helix and secondary spring is the same thing, I like quick backshift, improvements in acceleration, etc. So to answer your question accurately I recommend that when you call a performance company, help them by knowing what your wanting from a kit and they can help set you up with the right wieghts, primary and secondary springs and helix. Do you primarily hill climb (pinned wide open), boondocking, sidehilling (in & out of throttle)? A side note: springs are cheap, buy a couple to fine tune to your liking or come ride with me, I have boxes of them you can try ;) I will get into a lot more in clutching later. For now I need to take my dog out of state to a vet specialist. When you go to their web site, you can find the basics to their kits based on elevations: https://www.straightlineperformance.com/snowmobile/polaris/850-axys/2019-20-polaris-axys-850-clutch-kit-144-175-track-6000ft-part-123-146/
this is Jasons responce
" I have not rode 6/7000 feet, try 68 gm, 62/42, 140/320 160/260 to start"
so I dont know how they can advise or sell a clutch kit without testing.
I have the helix and weights already and even perhaps the sec spring.
I like low, smooth engagement, but instead of using the steeper helix, im just tempted to use my 74 mtx weights, that's what slp uses with their twins, pls keep me posted on your findings.
 

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This is the Bikeman Stage 1 kit and with Bikeman Stage 1 reflash using Torque Link flash.

In the video you will notice that the stability of the HP as the engine and pipe warm up is drastically improved compared to running the kit without the stage 1 reflash.

Kit includes - Bikeman Fat Azz Pipe and Y-Pipe
Torque Link flash - Bikeman Stage 1

Fuel used 91 Octane

Here is the back to back sweep runs-

Here is the long WOT right after the sweep runs-

 

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@ Prayn4snow.

The install pix of the Straightline pipe and can in the other thread were VERY helpful. The clearance this pipe has over stock is what i am looking for. Would be nice to see some dyno runs on this pipe/can setup.
 

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We sell them if anyone wants a quote. Yes, Eric's a fan. We also had a similiar kit but it was on a 800HO.
The Strightline Performance 800 pipe surprised me a few years ago. We were out testing and data logging on the prototype 850 and I wasn't allowed to bring my 860 big bore along to compare (my BMP big bore was a beast). But one of the guys had a 2015 Polaris 800 with the Strightline Performance Stage 3 kit, and the new 850 couldn't pull away in any situation. everyone was really impressed because the 850 at that point was on its finial calibration (we were told) and was a big improvement against the stock 800's we had to compare in low end, mid range and high end. This was at 9000-12.000 ft.
 
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I am running one on my 16 Sks with stock clutch and if I remember right 72g weights. I keep it in ethanol mode to keep from det code coming up. Power increase is very noticeable especially in the midrange
 

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it is my understanding that this pipe is not available to the public yet, how come you guys are running one?:cool:
Hey glowa, That is strange, I just went on their web site to order another one and it worked just fine. Then I called to see if they were in stock and they said yes, they just got more in from ceramic coating. So if you call the shop they can ship one out today. 1-651-466-0212
 

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What’s the weight difference between pipes?
The stock pipe I weighted from my "2020" 850 was 11.80lbs and the stock can was 15.35lbs (27.15lbs total stock). The Strightline performance pipe ceramic coated was 9.20lbs and the Straightline Performance Light Weight Quite can was 9.00lbs (18.2lbs total). So the difference is 8.95lbs less than stock. Keep in mine the stock pipe has the aluminum cover with fiberglass insulation. Also Straightline also has an Ultra Lite stainless steel part number #132-142 that is 11lbs lighter than stock and if you really want to get light they have a Carbon Fiber/stainless steel muffler part #132-140 that only weighs 4lbs. All can be seen here: https://www.straightlineperformance.com/snowmobile/polaris/ One other interesting note I just checked and my 2019 Polaris 850 Stock can weighted more (new) than my 2020 can at 16.65lbs. IMG_7238.jpgIMG_7239.jpgIMG_7236.jpgIMG_7237.jpgIMG_7234.jpgIMG_7235.jpgIMG_7225.jpgIMG_7226.jpg
 
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