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HD DVD is dead.

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The format war has turned into a format death watch.

Toshiba is widely expected to pull the plug on its HD DVD format sometime in the coming weeks, reliable industry sources say, after a rash of retail defections that followed Warner Home Video's announcement in early January that it would support only the rival Blu-ray Disc format after May.

Officially, no decision has been made, insists Jodi Sally, vp of marketing for Toshiba America Consumer Products. "Based on its technological advancements, we continue to believe HD DVD is the best format for consumers, given the value and consistent quality inherent in our player offerings," she said.

But she hinted that something's in the air. "Given the market developments in the past month," she said, "Toshiba will continue to study the market impact and the value proposition for consumers, particularly in light of our recent price reductions on all HD DVD players."

Immediately after the Warner announcement, the HD DVD North American Promotional Group canceled its Consumer Electronics Show presentation. The following week, data collected by the NPD Group revealed Blu-ray took in 93% of all hardware sales for that week.


Toshiba subsequently fired back, drastically cutting its HD DVD player prices by as much as half, effective Jan. 15. But a hoped-for consumer sales surge never materialized; retail point-of-sale data collected by the NPD Group for the week ending Jan. 26 still showed Blu-ray Disc players ahead by a wide margin, 65% to 28%.

Software sales have declined as well. The latest Nielsen VideoScan First Alert sales data show the top-selling Blu-ray Disc title for the week, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment's "Across the Universe," sold more than three times as many copies the week ending Feb. 10 as the top HD DVD seller, Universal Studios Home Entertainment's "Elizabeth: The Golden Age." Blu-ray Disc titles also accounted for 81% of all high-def disc sales for the week, with HD DVD at just 19%.

Toshiba had been pitching its discounted HD DVD players toward the standard DVD crowd as well as high-def enthusiasts, noting in its ad message that the new players would make DVDs look a lot better as well. And as a last-ditch effort, the company ran an ad during the Super Bowl -- a 30-second spot that reportedly cost $2.7 million.

But in the end, sources say, the substantial loss Toshiba is incurring with each HD DVD player sold -- a figure sources say could be as high as several hundred dollars -- coupled with a series of high-profile retail defections has driven the company to at last concede defeat
 

Fosgate

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Oh great, that means we'll need a Blue Ray disck player, 1080 HDTV and they'll probably start transmitting tv in 1080 HD. :(
 
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You had to know Blue Ray would win the battle.

It is about time HD dropped out.

You don't have to buy Blue Ray yet.

And as for TV being broadcast in 1080P good luck! It ain't going to happen for quite some time. 1080i and 720p are going to be whats broadcast.

This is good news though. I was almost going to get a new Samsung Blue Ray/HD DVD Combo for $800. Now I can just buy a Blue Ray player and be done with it.

Good thing is, is that there are lots of deals where you get a bunch of free movies. Hell the movies you get free will pay for the player.
 
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You had to know Blue Ray would win the battle.

Yeah, just like Sony won the beta max/VHS battle?

It don't really matter to me at this point as I don't have either blue ray or a hd-dvd player. I do have HD TV with the DVR though and that is nice.

I can't stand Sony but it looks like the way things have panned out with the DVD thing we all might have to suck up and enjoy it.
 
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The wife went and bought a PS 3 and it will play blue rays. I've been enjoying all kinds of HD tv, but when my son played a blue ray disc "Open Season" on the PS 3, holy chit you can count the hairs on that big bear one by one. My tv is a few years old already and will only handle 1080i, I'm sure on 1080p it will blow you away.that's my .02.:rolleyes::beer;
 
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I'm kind of surprised, actually. Sony has had issues with licensing (Betamax, Minidisc) in the past and have shot themselves in the foot with their technology because of it. Maybe they've learned from their mistakes and won't get so greedy this go-round.

On the upside, this means high-def porno will be in one format too, only need one player!
 

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Wonder what this means for Xbox 360 ...

nothing... the hd player was an attachment.

I have the PS3 and the xbox 360 with the HD player. I always thought the picture was better on the blu-ray, but the HD had much better features and abilities. Only thing im pissed about is now i have to buy all the HD dvds i had on blu ray...

i will tell you one thing, after watching blu ray in 1080p on my new big screen, i cant watch anything else... regular tv and old dvds looks like poo, HD tv (720p) is ok, but blu ray is just awesome... cant wait to get the 3-d samsung enhancement and watch full HD 3-d style... wow...
 

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nothing... the hd player was an attachment.

I have the PS3 and the xbox 360 with the HD player. I always thought the picture was better on the blu-ray, but the HD had much better features and abilities. Only thing im pissed about is now i have to buy all the HD dvds i had on blu ray...

i will tell you one thing, after watching blu ray in 1080p on my new big screen, i cant watch anything else... regular tv and old dvds looks like poo, HD tv (720p) is ok, but blu ray is just awesome... cant wait to get the 3-d samsung enhancement and watch full HD 3-d style... wow...

I also have the 360 with the hd dvd attachment and the ps3. One thing about the hddvd attachment on the 360 is that it will upconvert to 1080p much better than the ps3 will with hdmi cables being used. As for blueray looking better than hddvd, well they were both made with the exact same codec, so there is absolutely no difference between the 2.
 
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pretty happy i got a new HD player 2 weeks ago. woulda been nice if that dumbass at best buy would have told me it was on its way out. oh well, 7 free movies, i guess i dont feel to bad about it. just one more thing to have on the tv shelf
 
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I also have the 360 with the hd dvd attachment and the ps3. One thing about the hddvd attachment on the 360 is that it will upconvert to 1080p much better than the ps3 will with hdmi cables being used. As for blueray looking better than hddvd, well they were both made with the exact same codec, so there is absolutely no difference between the 2.

Not sure where you're getting you're info from on that. I've read MULTIPLE reviews on the PS3's upconvert ability and it ranks right up there with the best of them. My eyes also tell me the same.
 
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Up convert to 1080p and a blue-ray 1080p are not the same. Some may say it is close but not even.

Granted an up convert picture does make a standard DVD look a ton better it still is not near as nice as a Blue ray.

My old lady just bought us a new Samsung with the 3D (120Hz refresh rate) technology and it is awesome! Granted most DVDs you can't really tell the difference but with Blue Ray it is great and when you up convert a normal DVD you can tell on some movies. Pearl Harbor is a good one and so are Gladiator and Top Gun.

It works really well for sports as well. It pretty much doubles the refresh rate of your screen, making everything move more fluid especially when the camera pans around on something.
 

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I wouldn't jump on the Blue Ray bandwagon yet. Blue Ray will be undergoing some hardware updates and all of the old players will not be capable of playing the new disc's.
 
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