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50 Dead in Orlando terror attack

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So sad.


Can we FINALLY realize that scrutinizing the Muslims entering our country is imperative to our security?
 

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Although the shooter, now dead, had an Arabic first name Omar... Omar Mateen... a 29 year old US born citizen with Afghan heritage.

Mateen was scrutinized by FBI a couple of years ago because of his Afghan family tree... but the investigators did not find any reason to pursue further. The parents were also not found to have any ties to extremist organizations neither domestic or islamic.

A hate driven crime against gay people... that part is undeniable... this kind of violence towards gay people has been prevalent in the USA for some time.

Police investigators are unsure if this shooting was strictly religious driven hate crime, domestic terrorism, or some kind of fundamental Islamic religious hate crime.

Reports I've read show that he had purchased his AR-15 and handgun legally in Florida.

Dangerous area of Orlando... a pop singer was shot and killed only a few miles away from the club recently as well.


I'm interested to see what the investigation brings up as I'd like to hear what is not speculation and conjecture... as the magnitude of this heinous mass murder will draw in many versions from all sides.






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The Long, Tragic History of Violence at LGBTQ Bars and Clubs in America

Mark Joseph Stern:

The mass shooting at Orlando’s LGBT nightclub Pulse, which left at least 50 dead, is only the latest chapter in a long history of violence at LGBTQ bars and clubs in America. In fact, for as long as LGBTQ people have been congregating in their own social spaces, these spaces have been the target of vicious homophobic and transphobic violence.


Until the Pulse massacre, the most notorious act of violence against a gay bar was the burning of the UpStairs Lounge, a New Orleans gay bar, in 1973. An arsonist set fire to the bar, killing 32 people in less than 20 minutes. The vast majority of politicians declined to comment on the arson, and the Catholic Archbishop of New Orleans did not offer support to the victims. (The Archdiocese apologized for its silence in 2013.) Many news outlets ignored the story; some of those that did cover it mocked the victims for being gay. No one has ever been prosecuted for the crime. When asked about identifying the victims, the chief detective of the New Orleans Police Department responded, “We don’t even know these papers belonged to the people we found them on. Some thieves hung out there, and you know this was a queer bar.” The UpStairs Lounge fire is the second-deadliest attack against LGBT people in American history, following the Pulse shooting.

In 1997, “Olympic Park Bomber” Eric Robert Rudolph bombed the Otherside Lounge, a lesbian nightclub in Atlanta, later explaining that he believed “the concerted effort to legitimize the practice of homosexuality” was an “assault upon the integrity of American society.” He described homosexuality as “an aberrant sexual behavior,” and wrote that “when the attempt is made” to “recognize this behavior as being just as legitimate and normal as the natural man/woman relationship, every effort should be made, including force if necessary, to halt this effort.” In his confession, Rudolph railed against the “homosexual agenda,” including “gay marriage, homosexual adoption, hate-crime laws including gays, or the attempt to introduce a homosexual normalizing curriculum into our schools.”

Three years later, Ronald Gay opened fire on a gay bar in Roanoke, Virginia, killing Danny Overstreet, 43, and severely injuring six others. Gay was angry that his last name could mean “homosexual” and said God had told him to kill gay people. He called himself a “Christian Soldier working for my Lord” and testified in court that he wished he could have “killed more fags.” More recently, in 2013, Musab Mohammed Masmari set fire to Capitol Hill, a gay nightclub in Seattle, on New Year’s Eve. Masmari had explained that he believed gay people “should be exterminated.”

Of course, these attacks only punctuate the thousands of anti-LGBTQ hate crimes that occur in public—in schools and bathrooms and parks, on sidewalks and often in broad daylight—every year. Federal law did not explicitly criminalize anti-LGBTQ hate crimes until quite recently, as President George W. Bush had threatened to veto any legislation that outlawed hate crimes on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. With President Barack Obama’s support, the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act finally passed in 2009. It drew just five Republican votes in the Senate, and its fiercest opponent, Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions, criticized his colleagues for merely caving to “the political cause of the moment.”
 

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I'm interested to see what the investigation brings up as I'd like to hear what is not speculation and conjecture... as the magnitude of this heinous mass murder will draw in many versions from all sides.
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I agree.
But also willing to bet investigation turns up exactly what we are already assuming.
 

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Not exactly sure what these "watch lists" are good for.
Perhaps they should have "kill lists" to prevent the tragedy in the first place.


America should be a very dangerous place for anyone that hates Americans.
 
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Breeding hate, like, other religious fundamental homophobic hate groups, many of them US Christian organizations like http://www.godhatesfags.com/ (Westboro Baptist)... is what this kind of anti-human movements are about.

Mateen targeted a gay bar.... not a shopping mall, Evangelist revival.

Hate crime, first and foremost...
Islam hates the LGBT community and so do a lot of Christian organizations...some of which preach violence towards the Gay Community.

Right now... the news machine and other 'sensationalists" are reaching hard to get their headlines and traffic numbers up by jumping to what could be dangerous conclusions.

This very well could be nothing to do with ISIS...or it could be directly connected to ISIS sympathy acted out in this crime towards the people in this gay bar.
No verified facts on this are out yet.

My thoughts go out to the families of the victims of this horrible crime.

Tweets are already out there from US citizens... like.... those fags got what was coming to them... the lord will judge them now!!
I read one that said... Maybe those muslims aren't so bad after all.

or this one from the Texas Lt. Governor, Dan Patrick, in response to the shootings.
DOUCHEBAG!!

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Another great reason to keep religion out of government.

Sheesh.

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Breeding hate, like, other religious fundamental homophobic hate groups, many of them US Christian organizations like http://www.godhatesfags.com/ (Westboro Baptist)... is what this kind of anti-human movements are about.

Mateen targeted a gay bar.... not a shopping mall, Evangelist revival.

Hate crime, first and foremost...
Islam hates the LGBT community and so do a lot of Christian organizations...some of which preach violence towards the Gay Community.

Right now... the news machine and other 'sensationalists" are reaching hard to get their headlines and traffic numbers up by jumping to what could be dangerous conclusions.

This very well could be nothing to do with ISIS...or it could be directly connected to ISIS sympathy acted out in this crime towards the people in this gay bar.
No verified facts on this are out yet.

My thoughts go out to the families of the victims of this horrible crime.

Tweets are already out there from US citizens... like.... those fags got what was coming to them... the lord will judge them now!!
I read one that said... Maybe those muslims aren't so bad after all.

Sheesh.

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It's really too bad for Muslims in general that these radicals are using the religion as a guise.
Nobody with active brain activity would worship a God that would be pleased by these hateful acts.


That been said, the Muslim community has been extremely weak on denouncing these acts along with those supporting it.
They need to step up to the plate and act like real Americans!
 

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Here we go again, yet another MUSLIM extremist attack.
84 (and counting) dead in France.
Sad.
 

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Not exactly sure what these "watch lists" are good for.
Perhaps they should have "kill lists" to prevent the tragedy in the first place.

And yet another muslim on a watch list.:face-icon-small-dis

Our great President Trump is correct, these guys are losers.
 

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And this time in London.

Common denominator - Muslims

Not saying most Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims.
 

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And again at the Flynt Michigan airport.
Muslim stabs a man in the neck while shouting "alahu akbar"
 

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As Muslims celebrate ramalamadingdon, isis calls for more terrorist attacks.

Yeah, what a great religion.:face-icon-small-dis
 

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This time in Barcelona.
Another day, another Muslim terrorist attack.
Yeah, what a great religion....LOSERS!
 

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Are you really just too dumb to figure out that this is the extremis part of the religion? 99% of Muslims live normal lives and manage to go without hurting anyone. Is it fair to judge all Christians by the actions of the David Koresh types?
 

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Are you really just too dumb to figure out that this is the extremis part of the religion? 99% of Muslims live normal lives and manage to go without hurting anyone. Is it fair to judge all Christians by the actions of the David Koresh types?

Gee, I don't know.
Are YOU really too dumb to read the entire thread?
Read post #10
 
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