Summit Sidehilling ?

SnowmoKid · Aug 1, 2011

I had a xp the whole first part of winter and thought it was great... until my dad got a m8:lol:. You could hold a sidehill for days on the m8, but with the xp you can still hold a sidehill, but its just unpredictable and wants to ride flat. I heard the 2011 and 2012's are better but i personally think you should stick with cat.:face-icon-small-coo

ARMYSLEDER · Aug 1, 2011

SnowmoKid said:
I had a xp the whole first part of winter and thought it was great... until my dad got a m8:lol:. You could hold a sidehill for days on the m8, but with the xp you can still hold a sidehill, but its just unpredictable and wants to ride flat. I heard the 2011 and 2012's are better but i personally think you should stick with cat.:face-icon-small-coo

Daddys sled? I rode a M8 a few times this year doesnt ride any better then a XP.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 1, 2011

Hey snowmobiler,
There was one 2011 with custom suspension that came close to sidehilling like my m8 but couldn't hold the line. For a xp I was impressed and it wouldn't be very often you would need to take it that far anyway. Anything I have done on the m8 I have done on the m1000. Setup on the m1000 is just as important. If anyone wants to call bs on what I am saying, I'll give you $$$ to prove me wrong when the snow flies. (Someone out there has to be able to do it, I would still like to see it with my own eyes) It may be possible but the M is easier. The PRO might be even better.

Just about any aftermarket suspension on any sled will work better if setup right.

diamonddave · Aug 1, 2011

It amazes me how hard XP's are to sidehill

DAMN...Just can't Sidehill an XP

taylorbok · Aug 1, 2011

dont know if its been mentioned because I didnt want to read the whole thread. I have slp spinldes on my sled, makes side hilling and dangling the sled much easier

kbl6z · Aug 2, 2011

Hey taylorbok what a arms are you running?

PJ-Hunter · Aug 2, 2011

My 09 sidehills just fine. I can do it all day long. It'll be even easier when I put a shorter riser and the 2011 A-arms on.

For guys to say that they can't sidehill any sled at all is an admission of a lack of skill and they should probably be sitting at home knitting with the wife.

I have ridden all three lightweight 2-strokes. I can sidehill all of them. I don't like the M series, feels rough and handles poorly, the Dragon and the new Pro are way too tippy and take some getting used to but easily done. Personally I like my XP, it's the happy medium.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 2, 2011

fyi This is all summer talk, accept the part of paying someone to prove me wrong.lol
Never said I couldn't, just said it wont do it as easy as the M and that I haven't been on a xp long enough to prove to myself it can't be done.

Thanks for the pics,
but when some said sidehilling I was thinking more along the lines of steep hills, you know the ones that get so steep its nearly impossible, they all sidehill in pow but when the snow is not so great then what, the M is the most predictable.

For someone who refers to a sled being too tippy obviously has not used the sled to its full potential and maybe you should just stay at home and stay out of the way.

snowmobiler · Aug 2, 2011

a longtrack m is like side hilling a heavy submarine.dive captain dive.doos suspension is better for side hilling.

xpspenziv · Aug 2, 2011

Daves are photo shopped and the other one is of cats stuck trying to get up into the treeze .no doo there. If you can put a quad on 2 wheels you can sidehill a xp. I don't get the debate every 2 months about summits being a bad sidehilling machine. You all have seen them do it in a movie and on the internet. If You would put the same amount of effort into it as you do trying to get some you would no how easy it is.

Rant over.:becky:

winter brew · Aug 2, 2011

More photoshop....this is the older XP, the one that is IMPOSSIBLE to sidehill...LOL
Hope he doesn't mind me posting his handywork :face-icon-small-hap....the heavy spring snow and steep hill must make it easier??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrubPF9stY4&feature=player_embedded#at=25

xpspenziv · Aug 2, 2011

Even a dump truck can sidehill.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 2, 2011

xpspenziv said:
Daves are photo shopped and the other one is of cats stuck trying to get up into the treeze .no doo there. If you can put a quad on 2 wheels you can sidehill a xp. I don't get the debate every 2 months about summits being a bad sidehilling machine. You all have seen them do it in a movie and on the internet. If You would put the same amount of effort into it as you do trying to get some you would no how easy it is.

Rant over.:becky:

The pic I posted the cat on the left is stuck against a tree because the hill was to steep to stop (got a little out of control actually and luckily found a tree with the ski). Right in the middle of the pic is where a xp was stuck and I intentional dropped over then hill turned it sideways and stopped my sled above the xp to help the guy get out, spring snow. I went and helped the other cat get out of his bind and then got on my sled and rode it to the right sidehilling/sliding sideways back down hill into the trees to keep playing.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 2, 2011

snowmobiler said:
a longtrack m is like side hilling a heavy submarine.dive captain dive.doos suspension is better for side hilling.

I didn't know submarines where so maneuverable,

winter brew said:
More photoshop....this is the older XP, the one that is IMPOSSIBLE to sidehill...LOL
Hope he doesn't mind me posting his handywork :face-icon-small-hap....the heavy spring snow and steep hill must make it easier??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrubPF9stY4&feature=player_embedded#at=25

I'm still thinking of steeper stuff, but sweet pic and vid

winter brew · Aug 2, 2011

That hill is alot steeper than it looks.... Having had a M (and loved it!), once I got used to the XP I'm more comfortable on it and can put it places I could not put my M. It's all in the setup and adjusting riding style. I can no longer ride an M, they feel tankish and primitive in comparison. Kind of like comparing the 1M chassis to the M-chassis. Both good in their own way, but one has a clear advantage once a guy gets used to it. Took me most of a season.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 2, 2011

winter brew said:
That hill is alot steeper than it looks.... Having had a M (and loved it!), once I got used to the XP I'm more comfortable on it and can put it places I could not put my M. It's all in the setup and adjusting riding style. I can no longer ride an M, they feel tankish and primitive in comparison. Kind of like comparing the 1M chassis to the M-chassis. Both good in their own way, but one has a clear advantage once a guy gets used to it. Took me most of a season.

For sure, the 09 and newer M is a heck of lot better, so when I am talking about a M I'm talking about a 09 and newer, mine also has reworked suspension and one has a KMOD which is a huge improvement on both.

xpspenziv · Aug 2, 2011

winter brew said:
That hill is alot steeper than it looks.

of course it is. its on the internet. steeper than this?

snowmobiler · Aug 2, 2011

cats are like 50 to 60 pounds heavier than a xp.so its way harder to sidehill that fat.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 2, 2011

snowmobiler said:
cats are like 50 to 60 pounds heavier than a xp.so its way harder to sidehill that fat.

xp's are like 40lbs heavier than a PRO so that must mean they are the best. My sleds are lighter than stock xp's

When I say steep I am talking about slopes that if you put a sled on it completely horizontal and had the skis horizontal the track would not touch the ground, only one ski and the tunnel, you have to go across the hillside with the sled nearly vertical sliding sideways to maintain traction.

PJ-Hunter · Aug 2, 2011

You are my hero. The wind betwixt my butt cheeks.

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