trouble dialing in my 19 Hardcore 163

[F_ast]

Hey Guys, had some trouble getting my 19 Hardcore 162 right. I eeally feel like my 15 153 would out climb and out perform this sled.

I am acheiving decent rpm at elevation, no bogs and what feels like good power, but the sled just doesnt hook and i loose lots of momentum. Hills where my buddies climb on there 153, i had to poach to get up. I'm leaning towards suspension setup issues, but looking for some guidance to make this thing work better. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Typically ride BC 3-7k or CO/Wyo 10-12k, and having clutching setups for both.

 

[ndfb35]

Have you adjusted the suspension at all since you have had it?

 

[F_ast]

Have you adjusted the suspension at all since you have had it?

Not a significant amount. I released preload spring pressure about 3 turns. Nothing with limiter straps. Thats about it

 

[ndfb35]

Does the sled wheelie too much or does it stay planted with too much ski pressure? Does it have any characteristics that you want changed besides that you feel it doesn't hook up?

 

[F_ast]

I really feel like there is zero transfer. It doesnt wheelie at all, but being a 162 i kind of expected that.

I am used to floats so these coils are a bit foreign again.

I have become very accustomed to standing right up on the foot wells with my old 153, but that sled would just keep going. I find the 162 with 3" just runs out of steam, digs a trench a mile deep.

I figure i have to lengthen limiter straps and just soften the coil tension right off. But is the stock valving just too stiff for what i am looking for here? I realize the inted purpose of this sled is a big air, hard impact sled too.

 

[F_ast]

As for charactoristic, im lookinf for it to climb better. I dont feel like i should get outclimbed by guys running 153s, especially sleds that my older 153 would out climb precviously.

 

[Krause09]

Was your 153 the 2.6 with the fingers? That could be the issue your seeing?

 

[Old & slow]

As for charactoristic, im lookinf for it to climb better. I dont feel like i should get outclimbed by guys running 153s, especially sleds that my older 153 would out climb precviously.

You have a suspension setup issue. I have the air shocks so mine is different but there was threads on the HC last year. My 165 will pull the skis up as much as you want and is not getting out climbed by a 153 at least not in the powder. My 2016 162 proclimb worked good but is no way going to out climb or out handle my Alpha. This chassis needs to be setup for your riding type and weight and then there is a learning curve to know what it is capable of.

 

[rkm]

The 19 hardcores were setup to have very little transfer. The 19 had a 235 pound rear spring. 20s had a 175. A 210 spring is a good compromise on a 153, 175 works well on a 162 as long as youre not over 200.

The valving is better than it was on the 20s. Your best first step would be a new spring.
Id have to look up my preload specs.

 

[Fredrik]

Im still runing 235 rear spring but moved rear scissor 20mm forward on rails,
makes it softer in beginning of stroke but hard at end,i think this rear suspension was designed for air shock.

 

[F_ast]

Im still runing 235 rear spring but moved rear scissor 20mm forward on rails,
makes it softer in beginning of stroke but hard at end,i think this rear suspension was designed for air shock.

So you redrilled the rail for the scissor bolts?

Is there a difference in shock length between coil and floats?

 

[Fredrik]

Yes scissor bolts and scissor stop bolts,lenght is same but air shock is
much more progressive it will ramp up end of stroke more than coilovers.

 

[F_ast]

Anyone know where i can source these different springs?

 

[Sage Crusher]

Give my buddy Tony ( TRS ) on here he helped set-up the hardcore suspension for cat 2021- I just talked to him on this... I am looking to get rid of all 4 of my air shocks QS3 and run the hardcore coilovers.

 

[Live2ride777]

Give my buddy Tony ( TRS ) on here he helped set-up the hardcore suspension for cat 2021- I just talked to him on this... I am looking to get rid of all 4 of my air shocks QS3 and run the hardcore coilovers.

willinh to part with just the front shocks ? If so much

 

[rkm]

Anyone know where i can source these different springs?

210# 2704-010
175# 2703-502

Polaris springs are also 210 and easy to find.

 

[Suzzy-Q]

I really feel like there is zero transfer. It doesnt wheelie at all, but being a 162 i kind of expected that.

I am used to floats so these coils are a bit foreign again.

I have become very accustomed to standing right up on the foot wells with my old 153, but that sled would just keep going. I find the 162 with 3" just runs out of steam, digs a trench a mile deep.

I figure i have to lengthen limiter straps and just soften the coil tension right off. But is the stock valving just too stiff for what i am looking for here? I realize the inted purpose of this sled is a big air, hard impact sled too.

If you feel there is no transfer then add tension to your fts and decrease tension on your rts. Also what position is your rear skid in as far as mounting positions front/back?

 

[Frostbite]

I just received my 210 lb spring for the rear track shock but, I have left the stock 175 lb. rear shock spring installed until I see how I like it before I change the spring out. I like a nice light and lively front end so with air shocks I typically leave my front track shock pressures on the higher side and my rear track shock pressures a bit low. So the 175 lb may be enough but, if it's not I will swap to the 210 lb.

 

[Fredrik]

Swapped the rear qsl coil over to a float qsl and i like the proggresive feel from air shock better,
the falling rate supension needs a proggressive shock.