PRO vs Doo

[Yamadoo04]

Ya I know this might cause a bit of bashing on here but I want to be realistic here. I love my PRO and would never change to a Doo right now but a couple days ago I went riding with my buddy that got a new '15 Doo. He got the 163 and my '14 PRO is a 155 so I know he has a touch more track than I do, but It seemed to me like his sled had more power and could climb high than my PRO. Just wondering if anyone else has made these observations. I really wish the PRO could get a few more ponies out of the box like the Doo seems to have. Both sleds are stock and we weigh about the same. With that said I rode his just a mile or so and I still love the way the PRO handles better and would not trade it for anything. I guess if nothing else it makes it just a bit more challenging for me to go the same places and I love a challenge. :face-icon-small-hap

What is everyone else's thoughts?

Anyway here is just a teaser of our ride from a couple days ago.

 

[sledneck_03]

Ya I know this might cause a bit of bashing on here but I want to be realistic here. I love my PRO and would never change to a Doo right now but a couple days ago I went riding with my buddy that got a new '15 Doo. He got the 163 and my '14 PRO is a 155 so I know he has a touch more track than I do, but It seemed to me like his sled had more power and could climb high than my PRO. Just wondering if anyone else has made these observations. I really wish the PRO could get a few more ponies out of the box like the Doo seems to have. Both sleds are stock and we weigh about the same. With that said I rode his just a mile or so and I still love the way the PRO handles better and would not trade it for anything. I guess if nothing else it makes it just a bit more challenging for me to go the same places and I love a challenge. :face-icon-small-hap

What is everyone else's thoughts?

Anyway here is just a teaser of our ride from a couple days ago.

first off, his is GEARED way lower than your pro, His sled also has a 163 3" track and yours has a 155 2.4" track

Gear yours just as low and put on the same track and see what happens.

 

[Hardass]

that track difference alone is huge not only is it a 163 but probably 16 wide as well your not even close to apples to apples comparison. But the doos do rip

 

[Yamadoo04]

So do many of you guys have the 163" track on the PRO and can tell a difference from the 155" ?

 

[sledneck_03]

So do many of you guys have the 163" track on the PRO and can tell a difference from the 155" ?

well....guys in our group went from 2011 155s to 2013 163s, so the belt drive and other stuff changed but yah they were for sure better in the deep.

my 163 pro is 100 times better than my 155 dragon.

 

[Yamadoo04]

Hmm... Interesting. Thanks for your input. I may need to look into getting a 163" for the next sled I buy.

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

Hmm... Interesting. Thanks for your input. I may need to look into getting a 163" for the next sled I buy.

the 163*16*3" on the doo is absurdely better. SO much more track in the deep. its like adding 20-30 hp but it just makes them crank along as they manage to find traction every which way they can.

dont worry so much on the gearing guys, the ski-doo TRA has a 15% overdrive ratio on the clutching where a poo only goes 1:1, so thats why they can run lower gearing and still move down the trail.

 

[bholmlate]

I dont buy the fact that 4-6 more paddles in the snow make that much of a difference. Could be wrong and not saying it doesn't help just saying i cant see how much better it could be. might be more psychological then anything. i would think the width of the track and height of the lug does make more of a difference then length of the track

 

[noob]

I dont buy the fact that 4-6 more paddles in the snow make that much of a difference. Could be wrong and not saying it doesn't help just saying i cant see how much better it could be. might be more psychological then anything. i would think the width of the track and height of the lug does make more of a difference then length of the track

Flotation is night and day better from a 155 to a 163. Hard to believe but it is. Add the 3' paddles and even better yet. There is a thread in the doo section about the 174 3" and how wicked they are.

 

[Vern]

I dont buy the fact that 4-6 more paddles in the snow make that much of a difference. Could be wrong and not saying it doesn't help just saying i cant see how much better it could be. might be more psychological then anything. i would think the width of the track and height of the lug does make more of a difference then length of the track

I feel the same, rode for 6+ years with 2 153 m7s and 1 162 m7 in our group and never seen the 162 do anything or go anywhere that the 153s couldn't. However the 153s do feel more nimble and responsive.

 

[Griff]

I dont buy the fact that 4-6 more paddles in the snow make that much of a difference. Could be wrong and not saying it doesn't help just saying i cant see how much better it could be. might be more psychological then anything. i would think the width of the track and height of the lug does make more of a difference then length of the track

It all depends on the snow. Traction is a big factor in performance, along with horsepower and weight.

It will be interesting to review the T3 threads in March, April & May.

 

[noob]

Actually yes snow is main factor. If you have 3 foot plus is where you notice the difference.

 

[dansyl159]

One of my riding buddies has a 3" 163 with a rolled chaincase on his Pro, the thing just rocks! Imo it's the best money you can spend on a Pro.

 

[SRXSRULE]

Ya I know this might cause a bit of bashing on here but I want to be realistic here. I love my PRO and would never change to a Doo right now but a couple days ago I went riding with my buddy that got a new '15 Doo. He got the 163 and my '14 PRO is a 155 so I know he has a touch more track than I do, but It seemed to me like his sled had more power and could climb high than my PRO. Just wondering if anyone else has made these observations. I really wish the PRO could get a few more ponies out of the box like the Doo seems to have. Both sleds are stock and we weigh about the same. With that said I rode his just a mile or so and I still love the way the PRO handles better and would not trade it for anything. I guess if nothing else it makes it just a bit more challenging for me to go the same places and I love a challenge. :face-icon-small-hap

What is everyone else's thoughts?

Anyway here is just a teaser of our ride from a couple days ago.

From the looks of this video you need to spend a little time fine tuning the rear skid, you have too much weight transfer and its hurting the climbing ability. A little adjustment goes a long way on making the 155" work better. Eric

 

[geo]

I'm a 155 rider and happy but there is a fair bit of advantage to a 163 even with only 4" extra floatation IMO.

If you do the math, there is about 8% more surface area (on the snow at any one time). Theoretically and not getting too into it , that means 8% more floatation from the track-rails. Floatation and traction are why the 174 3"ers are around.
Say the average on-the-snow weight of a sled, rider, snow, gear (2 strokes lol) is 800lbs. 8% more floatation should mean a 163 rides higher in the snow by about the same amount as a 155 that just lost 64 lbs.
64lbs is a lot to lose.

 

[mtnpull]

I have spent most of my sled time on 155ish sleds. In 11 and 12 on 155 pro's and the last two years on a 163 pro. I wouldn't go back to a 155. For my size and riding style, the 163 is hands down a better fit. This year I was gonna throw a 3" track on my pro, but when I found a T3 163 up for sale, I jumped on it rather than throwing money at a Pro that wouldn't be worth anything the next year. I have one solid ride on the T3 and am not looking back. Incredible ride, no adjustment period, and super fun. The T3 handles completely different than a standard XM. I can't wait for us to get dumped on again, to give some additional feedback, but so far I have no regrets and can see myself on this sled for a while.

 

[Yamadoo04]

Lots of good responses. Thanks for all the input guys. I'll keep my 155 this year but I have some thinking to do about getting a 163"

 

[T3summit]

Where does it say he has a t3 he just said he has a 15 doo with the 163.

 

[T3summit]

Never mind after watching the video ic it's the t3.

 

[Mountain_Man]

There must be a lot of yellow snowmobiles where you were, everywhere you went there seemed to be one up ahead of you.............