17 174 Axys is 442 lbs...

[rulonjj]

So lets talk about dry weight of the 165 Doo compared to the 163 x 2.6" AXYS. Seems like it has been pretty quiet there? Okay for those who say that isn't fair, lets even up the playing field and compare the 154 Doo to the 163 x 2.6 AXYS dry weight. Now lets hear how you compare.

Axys 163x2.6. 413
Doo 165. 441
28 lbs difference.

Axys 155x2.6 408
Doo 154. 434
26 lbs difference


So now let's take our dry sleds out and ride them. I wonder which dry sled will have more power. I wonder which dry sled will cut a better sidehill.


Lmao. Wet weights are what matters. Not dry weights.

 

[steepndeep800]

I also ride all day so that silly claim you make is just obnoxious. I've never used all my fuel in my Doo. Guess what we couldn't even use the last of the 10.6 gal we had in the XM because of tank design. So basically the XM has a 9.6 gallon tank anyways. Now add the fact that the G4 is more efficient and....??? We don't need a large tank!

The boys who need more fuel probably aren't doing the same riding I am doing. They can add the 3 gallon Linq fuel caddy and probably aren't too concerned about their weight.

Stop the spin tell it straight and unbiased

You guys sound like a bunch of idiots trying to spin it in your favor so no matter what Doo does it's the greatest thing ever! Some of you could have a crap sandwich and if skidoo made it you'd say it was the best healthiest sandwich ever made!

So I just had a 3 gallon gas tank and a 1 qt oil jug made for a Polaris a axys does that make the rtr weight lighter and awesome?
No F ing way! I go to ride for god sakes and ride all day.

8 out of 10 days I come home on fumes laughing at what a awesome time we had wishing I had more fuel so I could keep on riding. Once in a while I misjudge fuel guage and need to get towed in.
Yes I ride with Doo's, Poo's, Cat's. And most times I use more gas than anyone in the group. For 1. I dont stop and hang out shooting the crap very often For 2. I dont care what brand your on, I dont care what they tell you for efficiency, IT TAKES GAS TO MAKE POWER PERIOD END OF STORY. If your wfo on the gas more than the people you ride with you will burn gas, thats the laws of making power.

Have you ever ridden with some of the top pro riders?
Ask any one of them, I've ridden with some of them and they can be out of gas 10,11,12 gallons in 4 hrs if there riding hard.
I've been with and I've seen them bring gas cans out and put them 1/2 way out so at noon they can refill.

So for you saying 9.5 gallons is awesome and your lighter now and you don't need the extra gas because your sled is so efficient now.
To be blunt your blowing smoke! and you need to ride more stop being such a cheerleader for something you have not even ridden yet. When you do that you will realize now you need to bring gas with you every day or go home early, both things suck!

Plain and simple anyone can have the same rtr weight match the difference of dry weight if you want to match the same fluid levels.
If BRP gives you a smaller gas tank that is not a benefit! That means I get to ride less and that sucks!
IMO that is one of the biggest draw backs of this sled!

As far as the weight, It is not everything I will agree 100% but the logic some of you guys are using to argue is the same logic the Yamaha guys used when they started to turbo the Rx1's and the Apex. It's not heavy on boost blah blah blah. I owned 1 lightened up all over. guess what it was still a fricken tank!

 

[steepndeep800]

Axys 163x2.6. 413
Doo 165. 441
28 lbs difference.

Axys 155x2.6 408
Doo 154. 434
26 lbs difference


So now let's take our dry sleds out and ride them. I wonder which dry sled will have more power. I wonder which dry sled will cut a better sidehill.


Lmao. Wet weights are what matters. Not dry weights.

I will put 9.5 gallons of gas in a axys also OK!
Guess what the weights will still be the same difference.

Now you go put in 12 gallons in the Doo. Oh wait you cant without carrying a gas can which weight a minute..... Weights more!!!!

Or I know I will fill up and you fill up and then you ride ***** foot around all day so you dont run out before I do when I having a riot pushing the fun flipper all day.

Takes gas to make power period... you ride hard you will use gas. No engine can make the power without the same amount of gas used!
If you run any engine to make 160hp for two hrs there is a limit of how little gas that can be used to make that power.

 

[rulonjj]

I will put 9.5 gallons of gas in a axys also OK!
Guess what the weights will still be the same difference.

Now you go put in 12 gallons in the Doo. Oh wait you cant without carrying a gas can which weight a minute..... Weights more!!!!

Or I know I will fill up and you fill up and then you ride ***** foot around all day so you dont run out before I do when I having a riot pushing the fun flipper all day.

Takes gas to make power period... you ride hard you will use gas. No engine can make the power without the same amount of gas used!
If you run any engine to make 160hp for two hrs there is a limit of how little gas that can be used to make that power.

Some engines are inherently more efficient. The etec is inherently more efficient than the poo engine. If you think that you can only make a certain amount of power on a certain amount of fuel you are dead wrong.

Look at the newest cars vs 1970's cars. The new cars make more power and get better mileage. The ones that get the best mileage are direct injection like the etec is.




Why is it that my turboed Xm making 200 hp can go the same distance(within 1 mile on our speedos) in 3-1/2' of pow as a completely stock Xm on 1/2 gallon less fuel? And btw this was one of those days that we had two axys, a pro and a cat and the xm's were the second to last to run out. The yami made it further than us but he also didn't ride the hills as hard as everyone else. It was a non turboed yami that was way out of its league as far as keeping up to everyone else goes.

 

[Teth-Air]

Has anyone gone on a diet and lost 25+ pounds? That is a huge amount of weight to lose. It will feel like your 18 yrs old again. Same is true when your sled is 25+ lbs lighter. Now if the new Doo does get way better fuel economy, maybe carrying extra gas won't be necessary? I never need to carry a gas can on the Polaris, even when going on the long hard rides.

 

[Deep Powder Guy]

If some guys would leave the box of twinkies , candy bars and beer at home there's 12 #

Well maybe not the beer.

DPG

 

[PaulAnd]

I would pay for and will take the extra weight on my sled to keep it from folding in f-ing half!!!!!!
Love my Fat *** Doo!
Stay Fat!!

 

[steepndeep800]

Some engines are inherently more efficient. The etec is inherently more efficient than the poo engine. If you think that you can only make a certain amount of power on a certain amount of fuel you are dead wrong.

Look at the newest cars vs 1970's cars. The new cars make more power and get better mileage. The ones that get the best mileage are direct injection like the etec is.




Why is it that my turboed Xm making 200 hp can go the same distance(within 1 mile on our speedos) in 3-1/2' of pow as a completely stock Xm on 1/2 gallon less fuel? And btw this was one of those days that we had two axys, a pro and a cat and the xm's were the second to last to run out. The yami made it further than us but he also didn't ride the hills as hard as everyone else. It was a non turboed yami that was way out of its league as far as keeping up to everyone else goes.

Because the ones who were taped to the bar the furthest used the most gas. Thats why!
3 sleds can go the same distance and use far different amounts of fuel depending on how they were driven. Not alot different than your car or truck!

You need to understand engines, Brake specifics, lb of fuel per hour.
a motor making 200 hp motor needs x amount of pounds of fuel per hour if its making that much power period unless your gonna run the AFR lean and then it cant make power because there is no fuel to make that power. You need x amount of fuel to make x amount of explosion.
Now how a sleds can vary in mileage is who is using the power more than the other guy.
I 've got a friend who obviously doesn't use the throttle nearly as aggressive as I do, I come back on fumes he has 3+ gallons left at the end of the day and we have the same sleds to ride.
a experienced dyno tuner can tell you how many #'s of fuel per hour a engine will need for a certain amount of power depending if its a 2 or 4 stroke. 4 strokes are more efficient.

What has varied on a 2 stroke is where and when the fuel is injected because on a 2 stroke you loose a certain amount of fuel on the compression stroke if it is injected before the exhaust port is closed.

Now the Etec is able to be more effiecient at mid range because it runs a extremely lean AFR in the mid range (like 17 or 18:1 ratio) and this causes extremely high exhaust temps and potential of detonation but the etec has enough sensors to monitor this and adjust on the fly (honestly a damn good design). But when they are wfo making lots of HP and torque they are sucking very similar gas as any other 2 stroke.
So if your bouncing around in the mid range alot yes your doo g4 will get better mileage. If your wicking it up alot it wont be much better than any other sled manufacturer.


Hope that answered your question

 

[Johnny]

My axys does use more fuel than the t-3s I ride with, but what do you expect when you're the one breaking trail all day, and making first tracks out of every bowl? Someone has to leave a track for them to poach.

 

[snowmobiler]

the doo sounds like a poo with a turbo.

 

[rulonjj]

the doo sounds like a poo with a turbo.

That certainly spools quick. Can't wait to get one on the snow.

 

[snowmobiler]

heard a little fade at 0:24.

 

[Ski-doo#1]

The weights you see from Ski-Doo aren't without all fluids. According to Carl Kuster

 

[RMK935VA]

The weights you see from Ski-Doo aren't without all fluids. According to Carl Kuster

I rode a T3 174 and an XM 154 last year. They were both fun sleds. I don't think that the 174 is much less maneuverable in the trees if at all. It didn't feel like it to me. I ended up buying an Axys 163/2.6 after much deliberation. I love it. I put KMOD 37 A Arms on it because I liked the more narrow stance of the Ski Doos that I rode. I also put a Diamond S Titanium muffler on it which made my dry weight slightly under 400 lbs. Finally, I am running a BDX-SSI pipe mod and a Power Commander V controller which made 168 horsepower and 105 ft. lbs. of torque on the Dynotech Research dyno. I know that I now am into the thing for more money than a new Polaris 174 or a new Ski Doo G4 but I am real happy with the sled and the mods. I did not get the Polaris 3" offering last year because I like the Quick Drive system. It works very well. I wish that Polaris offered it with the 3" tracks. I ran an X3 on my 13 Pro and the belt drive handled it perfectly. Polaris also has geared the 3" sled down too much which hurts track speed. For me the argument really comes down to belt versus chain final drive. I want the belt drive. I wish that Ski Doo offered it too just like I wish Polaris offered a more narrow stance (and stronger A Arms while they are at it). I want to rid the new 850. However, it is really not an 800 anymore. It should make more power and torque with 50 cc additional displacement. The KTM 300 makes more power and torque than the KTM 250 but it is now in a different class. the Ski Doo 850 is the same thing. If they were going bigger, I don't know why they didn't make it a 900. I had a bored and stroked Polaris 935 (stroked 910) and it absolutely kicked the crap out of the 910 big bore. It was only 25 cc more but it was impressive! 50 cc is a lot of displacement difference in machines that have small engines to start with. Look at how the Chevy small block 383 stroker does against the 350. I expect the 850 to be a higher horsepower/torque machine but it is not an 800 anymore.

 

[fredw]

We rode Revy this week, talked with a Polaris axys owner that got on the demo ride.. He said it took a few hrs to adjust, but once he figured the steering it was a blast..said the power and traction were crazy compared to what he rode.. It could be heavier than his poo, but the other good things made it a clear winner.. He's been a poo rider always

 

[noob]

We rode Revy this week, talked with a Polaris axys owner that got on the demo ride.. He said it took a few hrs to adjust, but once he figured the steering it was a blast..said the power and traction were crazy compared to what he rode.. It could be heavier than his poo, but the other good things made it a clear winner.. He's been a poo rider always

of course he's going to say that. He's got to shut you up somehow or he would have to sit there for 3 hours listening to the shi! coming outta your mouth.

I swore as long as you rode a doo I would never look at one. I now own a apex, axys and snowchecked a 165.

now I got a heavy pos, a sled that won't last 5 minutes and according to you the most perfect sled every conceived.

 

[Ski-doo#1]

There just must be a reason Ski-Doo doesn't want to do a belt drive. Help the aftermarket stay in the game? Idk. Maybe a technical reason? They don't actually believe it helps their "durability"? Who knows but I would like to at least have the option. I know that complexes things but I don't do a lot of jumping slamming the track into the snow. So it'd be good for my riding. Whatever their reason I trust them.

 

[steepndeep800]

isnt the chain case right in the right side foot well?

I dont see a belt drive fitting in the foot well very well.

I'm sure they would love to have one.

Ride a poo with a belt drive and one without you can feel the difference in the throttle response.

 

[RMK935VA]

I have seen several T3s with TKI belt drives on them. They work very well. I don't know why Ski Doo doesn't do it. I wish I could afford to buy a G4 Ski Doo. It would be fun to have both (Axys and G4). The G4 is not quite as homely as it looked in the first photos from Doo either. Their photographer picked the worst angles for the photos. He/she should be fired. First impressions are important and they left much to be desired. I want to ride a G4 this season. I am in Boise, if any of the dealers are reading this, please contact me for a demo ride.

 

[1500psi]

I for one don't want a 174 ever. I enjoy tight technical tree riding so my choice for sled length is the 155 or 156.
Driving 174's in the trees are like driving a pickup truck on a race care course.
Different strokes for different folks. If your a big hill climber 174 might be for you imo if technical 155-156 is my choice.

Here's what I heard allll the way to Revy Wednesday. "I know you ride a ski Doo but you realize a Pro axys is a far superior snowmobile right" ? he rides a 2016 axys 155.. So I take him and his buddy straight to the trees left of the Boulder cabin and I bet he and his buddy were stuck between 20-30 times a piece by 2pm. I quit counting. This area Isn't even steep or super tight and these guys can ride pretty good.. Snow was waist deep++. They were so freaking tired the one guy thought he had a illness he said a couple days later Lol. What I saw was him Worrying every morning where he's going to buy another belt cuz he blew one up every single day trying to follow ski doos. I bet two more ski doos get snow checked now. I'm soo freaking tired of hearing how great 155axys do in the trees I'm about to puke. It's so beyond even talking about. it is IMPOSSIBLE to Hang out with 174 doo guys in the real trees in real snow conditions with a 155 anything made. If you can't wrap your head around this take a drive this way and bring a friend.