I agree, disappointing. I know cat shows crate weigts but when Poo and Doo are both showing dry weights under 440lbs and cat 468lbs, even though I think the crate weight on a xp is about the same. If they are going to do all the new stuff then at least beat the competition by a few pounds. As for the 4 stoke thats ridiculous, nearly a 100lbs more, I know that motor doesn't weigh that much more, I will keep my m1000. It will all depend on how much weight can be taken off and how the new ones handle, then I will decide if I am going to get the new 800 and twist it. or stuff a 1000 in it.