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KMMAC

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I smell a rat, when is it ever good to create more wilderness? Cantwell's statement says it all. Get approval from the majority and she will be glad to lock up more land. This is nothing more than a way to manipulate people into believing that this will benefit all parties, then in the end when the NEW logging plan is in place they figure out a way to stop logging and then guess who gets what they want.
 
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deepdiver

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They awlays understate the acres in the proposal. Seattle times "over 188,000 acreas. They should just report the real proposal..240,000 acres. The logging industry has a pretty powerful lobby and can hinder any wilderness proposal. The looging industry has some of the most financial interest in this. So in order to get it passed quickly the Enviro's agree to logging. The US Forest service has always catered top the logging industry as much as they can within the law. Including letting loggers infiltrate some of the best camsites and stay there for free while undergoing logging operations. Dumping industrial waste and huge dozer maintenance parts in campground dumpsters etc. They are a subsidized industry to some extent.

The forest service caters to logging and also mining operations in these new wilderness proposals because there is too much Cashola to be lost.

Add this to all theother non-motorized areas that different user grouips want for theirselves for what ever reason they can conjucture. It is getting rediculous!!!!!

Patty Murry and Dave Richert(sp?) are both in bed with the groups that propose wilderness. There are so many of these that your home in NorthBend may be in the next one and you will have to walk home.

COLORADO(my home state) better wake up and get banded together! Look at this one..they just keep coming all over the west. Politicians get good press and the couch potato thinks this is a good thing and doesnt care because it doesnt effect the majority of the population.

http://www.whiteriverwild.org/public/File/Hidden_Gems_map.pdf

These little additions to existing areas make raod blocks of terrain. They have goffy boundries so it isnt beyond reason that someone might encroach into a wilderness area accidently.

In light of the piss poor boundry markings no one should be surprised when they see someone in the edges of the wilderness areas whewre they should not be. To all enviro fanatics: get your butts in gear and start making signs.. perhaps some high poles in places prior to the boundrys with signage. It s sort of like if you have private property with no fence and no "no trespassing signs" you cant complain when someone cuts through your property. There isnt a law enforcement officer in the country that will do much...now if it is wilderness all of a sudden the Enviro nazis think someone should have a built in , implanted GPS with an alarm in thier brain! Frickin idiots..dont gett all worked up when you see a track or two. NOw if someone is delibertly going into these areas then shame on you..thats a whole different thing.
 
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paulharris

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COLORADO(my home state) better wake up and get banded together! Look at this one..they just keep coming all over the west. Politicians get good press and the couch potato thinks this is a good thing and doesnt care because it doesnt effect the majority of the population.

this one has been going on for quite a while. i live in colorado and we have been fighting it for over a year. Its amazing how many of these wilderness proposals are circulating in western states right now. its only gonna get worse the snowmobile community needs to wake up and get involved quick.
 
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DOO DAWG

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Tags: Colville National Forest Kettle Crest outdoors Russ Vaagen Salmo-Priest Wilderness Vaagen Brothers Lumber Co.

Hikers break into the open area near the top of Hall Mountain above Sullivan Lake on a day trip led by Conservation Northwest volunteers.
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A proposal to designate 215,000 acres of new wilderness areas in the Colville National Forest is drawing support from a broad coalition of forest users.

The plan would expand the existing Salmo-Priest Wilderness in Northeast Washington and create new wilderness along the Kettle Crest, protecting six peaks that are each over 7,000 feet tall. The acreage represents some of the most remote, untouched land left in the lower 48 states. It’s home to grizzly bears, lynx and woodland caribou. And it’s an important wildlife migration route that connects the Rocky Mountains to the Cascades, environmentalists say.

In an unusual move, the wilderness proposal doesn’t stop there. The plan also calls for stepping up logging activity on other parts of the Colville National Forest and building new trails for mountain bikers, motorcyclists and ATV riders, who would have to give up some of their existing trails if Congress approves the new wilderness.

Timber industry representatives, ranchers and recreational groups all worked on the plan.

“We’ve been involved in exhaustive discussions over the past four years,” said Tim Coleman, a director for Conservation Northwest. “This is as much about supporting working farms and ranches, jobs in the woods and new recreation opportunities as it is about wilderness.”

With 1.1 million acres, the Colville National Forest has room for all types of users, said Russ Vaagen, vice president of Vaagen Brothers Lumber Co. By working together, different groups can find appropriate places to harvest timber, graze cattle, ride four-wheelers and still support wilderness for solitude and wildlife habitat, he said.

“If we look at it in terms of abundance, we’ll all get more than we have right now,” Vaagen said. “If we look at it in terms of scarcity, of holding out, we’ll all get less.”

Conservation Northwest is working to gain political support for the wilderness proposal. Ideally, federal legislation would be introduced this fall or next spring, Coleman said. The proposal also includes new “national recreation areas,” which would trigger federal dollars for additional motorized loop trails, mountain bike routes and facilities such as warming huts and restrooms, he said.

But wilderness proposals often take years to win passage. The Wild Sky Wilderness, which protects 106,000 acres in the Mount Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest, was approved in 2008 after five years of congressional debate.

According to the 1964 Wilderness Act, wilderness designations are for forests that have kept their “primeval” character, showing little influence of human activity. Logging and mining are prohibited in wilderness areas, as are chain saws, motor vehicles and mountain bikes. Cattle can remain, but ranchers sometimes have to leave their trucks behind.

The Colville National Forest is currently evaluating whether 240,000 acres of inventoried roadless areas have wilderness potential through a forest plan update.

The collaborative effort that produced the wilderness proposal unveiled Wednesday grew out of the Northeast Washington Forestry Coalition, an 8-year-old effort by the timber industry and environmental groups to find common ground. Through the coalition’s work, environmental groups began supporting timber sales and commercial thinning in the Colville National Forest. In return, they wanted allies for their wilderness proposal.

Vaagen said his company’s two sawmills have benefited from the collaborative effort. The mills employ about 120 people and could hire more workers if the Colville National Forest’s timber sales increased.

The forest sells about 43 million board feet of timber annually.

“The industry wants 80 million board feet, and they are willing to support wilderness,” said Conservation Northwest’s Coleman. In return, environmental groups are willing to support the higher cut rate, which includes thinning dense stands of trees and other forest restoration projects.

“It’s acceptable to us to manage the forest to provide timber jobs,” Coleman said.

Vaagen said he hopes the coalition’s success will help bring other user groups to the negotiating table. Motorized recreation groups were noticeably absent from a press conference about the wilderness proposal. Designating new wilderness remains controversial with many ATV riders in northeast Washington, Vaagen said.

Ranchers have questions, too. John Dawson and his son, Jeff, graze about 400 head of cattle on the Colville National Forest. A portion of their allotment lies within a roadless area that could become part of the Salmo-Priest Wilderness Area.

The father-son team already does a lot of its work by horseback. That lessens the potential impact of a wilderness designation, Dawson said. But other local ranchers may need continued motorized access to check their herds or get work done on their federal grazing allotments, he said.

At the same time, Dawson said he and other ranchers support wilderness values.

“We like the solitude and quietness of nonroaded areas,” he said.


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EricW

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I'm all over this thing. The Columbia Highlands Initiative has very little input from anyone other than one of our local mills and several consevation groups. There are possibilities in this type of proposal that would protect scenic wildlands while creating and relocating motorized opportunity in non bordering areas, but this proposal "aint it".

I am currently acting chairman for ACTNOW (Access Conservation Team Northwest). http://www.accessnorthwest.org/. We formed to have input and impact on any local land use decisions and to create public awareness so that those most affected can have their voices heard. Our site and our group are hot off the press so stay tuned while we develop and feel free to share any ideas and/or info that you feel could help. I type way too slow, but if you want to know more specifics about the local issues here in Stevens, Ferry, and Pend O'Rielle counties, feel free to pm me with a phone number and I'll give ya a shout.

Great so see folks noticing this kind of thing going on. These things can fly under the radar a lot of the time. Have a good one. EW
 
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