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GET FACTS STRAIGHT! Snowest Misleading Readers about Cooke City.
- Thread starter LSB
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Wow.
I am not for, or against this plowing issue, just getting informed as I've ridden in on this highway many times.
You're post had zero facts about this issue. If you think you are better than someone else because of where you live, you are wrong.
WOW! I just finished reading all four pages on this issue. Being that we have been to Cooke City many times from the east on once from the west I had always said, WHY IN THE HECK DON'T THEY PLOW THIS STUPID ROAD?
Well now I see the logic in this decision. I thank everyone for bringing up civilized points of view!
Now please correct me if I am wrong here.
If they plow the road from Cooke City to the Chief Joesph HWY. The trail will be gone and the west entrance will only be open to the residents of Cooke City, and tours buses?
PS. After reading this an a lot of other forums I am glad to see that us flat landers don't bash the mountain riders like we get bashed (by a small minority) for "tracking up their riding areas":moon: $.02
Well now I see the logic in this decision. I thank everyone for bringing up civilized points of view!
Now please correct me if I am wrong here.
If they plow the road from Cooke City to the Chief Joesph HWY. The trail will be gone and the west entrance will only be open to the residents of Cooke City, and tours buses?
PS. After reading this an a lot of other forums I am glad to see that us flat landers don't bash the mountain riders like we get bashed (by a small minority) for "tracking up their riding areas":moon: $.02
Well, I only read the first page and last, but from my prospective, I'd go to Cooke a few more times a winter if that last 10 mi. were plowed, it sucks having to leave everything behind in your truck, I like to have access to tools and spare parts if needed, would be a bonus to be able to drive into town, just like I do when going to the Big Horns, which is where we go the majority of the time for the reasons stated above. Some of the time, avy conditions play a big part, as I don't want to expose my son to potentially life threatening snow conditions.
I'm with LSB, thanks for trying,hang in there!
I'm with LSB, thanks for trying,hang in there!
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This hits the NAIL ON THE HEAD!!
thanks TRS
Plowing the proposed stretch of 212 will end snowmobiling in the Cooke City/Beartooth region. All of us have lost countless areas to ride. Ask yourself, do we really want to loose this gem of the snowmobile world????? Stand up for your passion, there is no room for compromise. We have been kicked around long enough. Those that support the plowing do not share the passion that you do for our sport. When they can fill their rooms and booths with wolf watchers we will loose. Plowing the road will allow the tour buss' client to push us out.
thanks TRS
Plowing the proposed stretch of 212 will end snowmobiling in the Cooke City/Beartooth region. All of us have lost countless areas to ride. Ask yourself, do we really want to loose this gem of the snowmobile world????? Stand up for your passion, there is no room for compromise. We have been kicked around long enough. Those that support the plowing do not share the passion that you do for our sport. When they can fill their rooms and booths with wolf watchers we will loose. Plowing the road will allow the tour buss' client to push us out.
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You are able to drive into town currently. Go through the park like the rest of us do.
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You live in the West!!! What big city dweller burned you?
The people that live in Cooke are some of the nicest people I have ever met. They will go above and beyond for anyone. Tourism is pretty much the main cash flow for the town and they need to do what they feel is best to keep winter tourism up. Yes, they provide a service, but they are not doormats that you wipe your feet on. They are hard working, loving, and caring people that choose to live in one of God's greatest areas.
I need to run, but if I ever meet the redneck _______ ________ that wrote this, I will finish the not so nice part of my rant.
PLEASE KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.
Being a resident of MN I have no say in this, and my opinion means nothing to an opposing view. I HAVE READ all of the posts, and the letter from Rick Sommers three times. I have personally talked with, and have had communicated with, business owners, and non-business owners on this issue.
Does this make me an expert? Of course not.
In the past I have been in favor of plowing the road, not anymore.
Personally for us, not plowing the road will not stop us from coming to Cooke City 2-3 times per season, never has.
Thanks to everyone (that have no financial gain) in keeping the snowmobiling as good as it is.
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Being a resident of MN I have no say in this, and my opinion means nothing to an opposing view. I HAVE READ all of the posts, and the letter from Rick Sommers three times. I have personally talked with, and have had communicated with, business owners, and non-business owners on this issue.
Does this make me an expert? Of course not.
In the past I have been in favor of plowing the road, not anymore.
Personally for us, not plowing the road will not stop us from coming to Cooke City 2-3 times per season, never has.
Thanks to everyone (that have no financial gain) in keeping the snowmobiling as good as it is.
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Cooke does not need it...
Imagine a Cooke city where you can't drive your sled down main st??
DONT LIKE THAT IMAGE?
Don't Support the plwing.
Not saying that will happen but an increased wolf watching element is not gonna help maintain what we already have. Take two groups that are polar opposites and have there issues come to head in cooke city and face it... Something will change and if history is any indicator we will probably be on the losing side..
On a side note my goal in life is to live and work in Cooke City. My goal is to earn 20k a year.. The one business I have looked at closely grosses 90 every year for the last 3 years. 18k in utilities, 3k in taxes and ur mortgage. So wait that like 35k in my pocket. Yet this as well as other businesses are for sale. I think people from outside bring there big money and expect big money in return. I also think these people could and should be happy with what they have and maybe just maybe stop extending themselves so much to improve their goddamn sales. Slim and trim wins the longevity war and hacking your way through the forest to see what comes in from the other side iz not something I will ever support..
Now the cell phone tower thats a different issue and I look forward to beating that one to chit as well... Maybe we should just start a new thread so the bashings can begin.
Imagine a Cooke city where you can't drive your sled down main st??
DONT LIKE THAT IMAGE?
Don't Support the plwing.
Not saying that will happen but an increased wolf watching element is not gonna help maintain what we already have. Take two groups that are polar opposites and have there issues come to head in cooke city and face it... Something will change and if history is any indicator we will probably be on the losing side..
On a side note my goal in life is to live and work in Cooke City. My goal is to earn 20k a year.. The one business I have looked at closely grosses 90 every year for the last 3 years. 18k in utilities, 3k in taxes and ur mortgage. So wait that like 35k in my pocket. Yet this as well as other businesses are for sale. I think people from outside bring there big money and expect big money in return. I also think these people could and should be happy with what they have and maybe just maybe stop extending themselves so much to improve their goddamn sales. Slim and trim wins the longevity war and hacking your way through the forest to see what comes in from the other side iz not something I will ever support..
Now the cell phone tower thats a different issue and I look forward to beating that one to chit as well... Maybe we should just start a new thread so the bashings can begin.
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Bob signed it?
Bob reallly? Wow I had hoped differently I suppose. Maybe he just wants to be able to more easily get bak to Nebraska. I think his fam is there and such. However, its interesting to me that he supports the plowing. I think the proposed cell tower was gonna go on his property. Would he gain financially from that?
Bob reallly? Wow I had hoped differently I suppose. Maybe he just wants to be able to more easily get bak to Nebraska. I think his fam is there and such. However, its interesting to me that he supports the plowing. I think the proposed cell tower was gonna go on his property. Would he gain financially from that?
I talked to Bear Claw Bob about this. He didn't reveal to me anyway on what is opinion was. He was only interested in my point of view.
Who's Robert.
Can someone from Cooke City, or ties to Cooke City, start a new thread on cell phone service in Cooke?? Anyone??
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Robert=LSB=Alpine
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Good document
http://www.beartoothhighway.com/pdf/SnowPlowingSummit.pdf
This .pdf really sheds some light on the situation. It's 55 pgs long but there is a a lot of info. A very interesting interaction I saw questioning the viability of alternative snowmobile trails should the road get plowed. There were immediate issues mentioned about some sort of lynx. So you can bet ur butt that if the road gets plowed we would have our work cut out to get alternative access approved as leaf lickers already have some ammo from what I can see.
Also here is a question asked in reference to an alternative access trail.
Q: Would the Pass be closed if unpassable if it was plowed year round? A: Yes, it would be closed. Q: Is there enough right of way in MT in WY for an alternate trail along the Highway? A: John, MT DOT “I don’t know”. Ron, WY DOT, “No, it wouldn’t be safe”.
IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT..
THE SNOWMOBILE CLUB IS AGAINST IT!!
FROM A SLEDDERS PERSPECTIVE THERE IS NOTHING BUT HEADACHES THAT WILL COME IF WE PLOW THAT RD.
http://www.beartoothhighway.com/pdf/SnowPlowingSummit.pdf
This .pdf really sheds some light on the situation. It's 55 pgs long but there is a a lot of info. A very interesting interaction I saw questioning the viability of alternative snowmobile trails should the road get plowed. There were immediate issues mentioned about some sort of lynx. So you can bet ur butt that if the road gets plowed we would have our work cut out to get alternative access approved as leaf lickers already have some ammo from what I can see.
Also here is a question asked in reference to an alternative access trail.
Q: Would the Pass be closed if unpassable if it was plowed year round? A: Yes, it would be closed. Q: Is there enough right of way in MT in WY for an alternate trail along the Highway? A: John, MT DOT “I don’t know”. Ron, WY DOT, “No, it wouldn’t be safe”.
IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT..
THE SNOWMOBILE CLUB IS AGAINST IT!!
FROM A SLEDDERS PERSPECTIVE THERE IS NOTHING BUT HEADACHES THAT WILL COME IF WE PLOW THAT RD.
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Interesting stuff here!
Interaction between a Cooke city resident and the mt dot...
Robert Weinstein to Jon, MT DOT Q: Is a federally funded highway legally need to be kept open? For example as the closing of 191 and the lawsuit over closing during construction. A: John was not aware of any laws stating that a federally funded road must remain open. He stated that 191 was re‐opened once the construction was complete, not before. Iobst stated that this is a complex question aas many types of roads receive federal funding whether County, State or Federal. NPS does close federally or state funded roads without jurisdiction. Robert to Root: Q: Is it not looking possible now that the alternate trail be possible even with the consideration of the Canadian lynx. A: There is no guarantee that any trail system can be built until the NEPA process is complete. This NEPA process would not just pertain to WY BUT would be coordinated with both forests in one document on a federal basis. The EA (environmental analysis) of the forest would look around at alternatives.
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One great idea IMO is to open the road to west yellow and see what kind of boost that gives.. You probably would see more people linking trips to both towns wolf watchers and sledders alike. Wyoming still gets to sell permits and no trails are rerouted.
Interaction between a Cooke city resident and the mt dot...
Robert Weinstein to Jon, MT DOT Q: Is a federally funded highway legally need to be kept open? For example as the closing of 191 and the lawsuit over closing during construction. A: John was not aware of any laws stating that a federally funded road must remain open. He stated that 191 was re‐opened once the construction was complete, not before. Iobst stated that this is a complex question aas many types of roads receive federal funding whether County, State or Federal. NPS does close federally or state funded roads without jurisdiction. Robert to Root: Q: Is it not looking possible now that the alternate trail be possible even with the consideration of the Canadian lynx. A: There is no guarantee that any trail system can be built until the NEPA process is complete. This NEPA process would not just pertain to WY BUT would be coordinated with both forests in one document on a federal basis. The EA (environmental analysis) of the forest would look around at alternatives.
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One great idea IMO is to open the road to west yellow and see what kind of boost that gives.. You probably would see more people linking trips to both towns wolf watchers and sledders alike. Wyoming still gets to sell permits and no trails are rerouted.
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