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Dems Brainwashing has Begun

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Whats the Agenda they are Pushing???

"schools", YEAR ROUND and from 8am to 6pm, 7 days a week.

By LIBBY QUAID, AP Education Writer Libby Quaid, Ap Education Writer – Sun Sep 27, 8:55 am ET
WASHINGTON – Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be completely curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.

Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.

"Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."

The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open year round and to force kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.

"Our school calendar is based upon the agrarian economy and not too many of our kids are working the fields today," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.

Fifth-grader Nakany Camara is of two minds. She likes the four-week summer program at her school, Brookhaven Elementary School in Rockville, Md. Nakany enjoys seeing her friends there and thinks summer school helped boost her grades from two Cs to the honor roll.

But she doesn't want a longer school day or mandatory classes on Saturday and Sunday. "I would walk straight out the door," she said.

Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School.

"I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."

Her school is part of a 3-year-old state initiative to add 900 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools. Early results are positive. Even reluctant Domonique, who just started ninth grade, feels differently now. "I've learned a lot," she said.

Does Obama want every kid to do these things? School until dinnertime? Summer school? Mandatory classes on weekends? And what about the idea that kids today are overscheduled and need more time to play?

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Obama and Duncan say kids in the United States need more school because kids in other nations have more school.

"Young people in other countries are going to school 35, 40 percent longer than our students here," Duncan told the AP. "I want to just level the playing field."

While it is true that kids in many other countries have more school days, it's not true they all spend more time in school.

Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests — Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).

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Regardless, there is a strong case for adding time to the school day.

Researcher Tom Loveless of the Brookings Institution looked at math scores in countries that added math instruction time. Scores rose significantly, especially in countries that added minutes to the day, rather than days to the year.

"Three of four hours sounds trivial to a school day, but don't forget, these math periods in the U.S. average 45 minutes," Loveless said. "Percentage-wise, that's a very large increase."

In the U.S., there are many examples of gains when time is added to the school day.

Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 6 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every Saturday and Sunday and for seven weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.

In Massachusetts' expanded learning time initiative, early results indicate that kids in some schools do better on state tests than do kids at regular public schools. The extra time, which schools can add as hours and days, is for three things: core academics — kids struggling in English, for example, get an extra English class; more time for teachers; and enrichment time for kids.

Regular public schools are adding time, too, though it is optional and not usually part of the regular school day. Their calendar is pretty much set in stone. Most states set the minimum number of school days at 180 days, though a few require 175 to 179 days.

Several schools are going year-round by shortening summer vacation and lengthening other breaks.

Many schools are going beyond the traditional summer school model, in which schools give remedial help to kids who flunked or fell behind.

Summer is a crucial time for kids, especially poorer kids, because poverty is linked to problems that interfere with learning, such as hunger and less involvement by their parents.

That makes poor children almost totally dependent on their learning experience at school, said Karl Alexander, a sociology professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, home of the National Center for Summer Learning.

Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams.

"If your parents are high school dropouts with low literacy levels and reading for pleasure is not hard-wired, it's hard to be a good role model for your children, even if you really want to be," Alexander said.

Extra time is not cheap. The Massachusetts program costs an extra $9,300 per student, or 62 percent to 75 percent more than regular per-student spending, said Jennifer Davis, a founder of the program. It received more than $117.5 million from the state Legislature last year.

The Montgomery County, Md., summer program, which includes Brookhaven, received $120.6 million in federal stimulus dollars to operate this year and next, but it runs for only 20 days.

Aside from improving academic performance, Education Secretary Duncan has a vision of schools as the heart of the community. Duncan, who was Chicago's schools chief, grew up studying alongside poor kids on the city's South Side as part of the tutoring program his mother still runs.

"Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table. If we can keep our kids in school until dinner time, families won't have to worry about their children getting into trouble.
 
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Great way to blow another 100+ million here and there.
Maybe if alot of parents spent time with there kids and helped them do there homework every night we wouldnt have this problem.
Discipline, Discipline, Discipline.

Maybe we could some how stop dumb people from breeding to.
 
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I thought the liberals were the ones that cut the work week from 48 to 40 hours and are always grousing about 32 hours. Bama probably realizes the extra time off gives people too much time too think for themselves. thats bad for them. they need to keep everyones nose to the grindstone with no time to play cards or think. Better for his agenda.
 
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This is a good thing.
It won't pass, but the fact he put it forward is good.
Kids have a notoriously short memory and are extremely short sighted.
They (for the most part) love bo and what he says. Mostly because the teachers love him and tell the kids to also.
Now bo is attacking their off time and you can bet they don't like that idea.
That is of cource IF they ever hear about it.

Makes for a whole lot more people that don't like bo.
 
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Interesting, I just spoke with our foreign exchange student from Germany yesterday. She lived with us for the entire school year last year. She was a good kid with a good up bringing. She understood how important her education was. She could never get over how easy and un-demanding school was here. The math my Sophomore daughter was doing last year our exchange student did in 5th grade. In Germany she has to complete 13 years of HS before she can graduate and goes to school 6 days a week for 10 hours a day. She averages 3 to 4 hours of homework a night after she gets home from school at 7:00 PM. She had 3 test last week that took over 4 hours to complete. These test had to be done on her time not school time. That means that most weeks the one day off she has each week gets spent at a testing center. All of her tests are scheduled before the semester begins so there is never a question about when they have tests. She goes to school year round with a 2 week vacation 3 times a year.

They have no school activities. They would not think of bringing sports into their education system, and having a school dance.....................why would your school put on a dance? She thought school was to get an education.

Right or wrong it was an eye opener for my family. None of my kids have any desire to be an exchange students now.
 

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Let's see, we have the most prosperous nation in the world and BO's ideas is to spend more time in school. Maybe just to sing his praises. Don't get me wrong, education is very important however there has to be a balance. Making students spend more time in school is not the answer, focusing on the the right subjects is, not basket weaving. Techinical subjects. I guess he just wants them to spend more time on the "Arts".
 

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I bet most of the people on this site though are blue collar workers and I dont think the school system is really geared toward what people in the real world will do for work.Most jobs are learned by hands on experience anyways.I know when I went to school welding and mechanics was pushed by the teachers on the kids with the worst grades.They were looked down on by them.Yet everybody loves a good mechanic or carpenter.School system does need some changing.
 
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I bet most of the people on this site though are blue collar workers and I dont think the school system is really geared toward what people in the real world will do for work.Most jobs are learned by hands on experience anyways.I know when I went to school welding and mechanics was pushed by the teachers on the kids with the worst grades.They were looked down on by them.Yet everybody loves a good mechanic or carpenter.School system does need some changing.

I find that first sentance very rude.
As it happens you will find most of the people on this site are college educated and/or own their own buisnesses.
I for one have a 1 BS, 4 AAS, 3 AS degrees and am 1 of only 30 security people in the WORLD that do what I do.

The fact of the matter is our school system is designed around 1940.
It does need updating, however, it also needs to have the parents grow up also.
It is NOT the schools job to teach your kid to play football, baseball, soccer, hockey or underwater basket weaving.
Most schools spend as much on sports as they do on educating our kids.
The kids get to do pretty much what ever they want in class because if the teacher comes down on a kid being disruptive, the teacher get reprimanded.
The teacher has to have the ability to toss kids out that are disruptive. The whole "all kids WILL get to go to school" non-sence has to stop. If the kid is disruptive and refuses to follow the school rules, kick his azz out and don't let him back in till he does. Give the kids that actually want to learn the oppertunity to learn.
The parents have to GET INVOLVED in the kids upbringing. Make the kid be responcible and do their homework. Make the schools actually teach.

now take everything above and make one HUGE change.
SCHOOL VOUCHERS.
Give the parents the ability to put the kids where ever they want. Stop giving government schools the monopoly and force them to allow private sector the ability to teach them correctly.

As long as the kids know they don't have to worry about it because they can't be tossed out permanetly.
 

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Whats rude about it?I just dont think there is alot of doctors ,lawyers and scientist on snowest,but there is alot of snowmobile mechanics,welders,oilfield guys,truck drivers,farmers,some business owners for sure.Mabye I am wrong mabye blue collar is not the term.But my point was teachers dont tell you when your going to school that you should for example look at welding to be your career.Yet as a welder you could end up having a million dollar business.
 
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School needs an overhaul.

Maybe not more time but a different structure for sure. Not a huge chunk of time off maybe. Be honest were any of you really paying attention and giving it your all in 6th or 7th hour? Or when it was 75 and sunny out?

For sure they need to change what and how they teach. To often stuff is being taught to the lowest denominator or the average...then the smart and ambistous are hurt. The world needs ditch diggers too. I had one teacher who flat out told us, "the peopel telling you that you all need to get a 4 year degree, etc are full of chit. Only 5-10 of you could handle 4 years or more(small school 30 ina class) but lots of you woill be very good in the trades."

To be 100 percent honest I was a National Honors student, 3.5 plus GPA, 30 on my ACT(which I never used for my college:confused:). And I coasted through classes. I knew what was needed and stopped at that level....

Now I have days where I wish I would have pushed harder....actually I wish I was pushed harder. I had teachers who were thrilled to have me in class, they were so used to kids cashing it in for Cs. Had that not been the norm I bet they would have pushed me harder.

What I really learned in school was the beauty of BS.

Don't get me wrong I learned lots. Hell my high school A&P was taught well enough that I was able to sleep through college A&P, and that was for a medical field job.

Also I do love where I ended up but I will push my kids hard.

Course my oldest is 4 and she is definitly behind her peers, and my wife and her family all had learnin disorders of various degrees. So I think things will be hard for my oldest in school and hard for me at home trying to understand where she is at and coming from.
 
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They did a study about 10 years back.
Found that the amount of time in the class room wasn't really a problem.
They did discover that in some pilot schools they were holding year round school and had the same amount of time off (3 months), they just didn't give it to them all at once.
If they spaced it out so the kids had 3 months of school, 1 month off, the kids retained a lot more of what they learned.
Also, I think if they put parents back in charge of their kids education thru the use of school vouchers the system would improve a lot.
Who says a school has to have after school sports?
How much more money would be available to teach the kids if it ALL went to education?
 
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