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NOTE: The actual procedure of component repair/replacement has many steps that must be followed carefully. These are presented in the Polaris Factory service manual in detail. IMO, do not attempt the procedure without reading (and re-reading) the service manual. It is not a difficult process, but you must follow, carefully, the steps involved in the process.

The new PRO-RMK uses structural acrylic adhesives in the construction of the PRO Chassis components.

See this online article for a description of this in more detail.
http://www.snowmobile.com/how-to/con...ssis-1300.html

The acrylic adhesive that Polaris uses, not to be confused with epoxy, is a pretty amazing material.... easy to apply... very strong in cold environments and tolerant of less than ideal surface prep. Common in aircraft industry and also with yacht building in aluminum.

I have used this material in areas of yacht construction where welding would not have been practical... plus the finished bonded component (platforms for 40kva generators) was stronger than the welded component in the end.

This is a real boon to the construction of the PRO Chassis castings and their assembly in a mfg environment.

The adhesive is actually very easy to work with in the repair of your PRO Chassis.


Some "topical" links.
Cast bulkhead on the PRO
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/s...d.php?t=211636
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/s...d.php?t=228925

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The adhesive used in the construction of the PRO RMK bulkhead is made by Lord Adhesives...

It is part of their 400 series acrylic adhesive, specifically 406/19, that is used in many items from Aircraft production, boats, to Airstream and other RV's.

I believe that the adhesive used by Polaris is the 406/19GB package but I have to confirm which one this is.

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LORD 406 acrylic adhesives can be mixed with either LORD Accelerator 19 or LORD Accelerator 19GB. LORD Accelerator 19 improves the high temperature resistance of LORD 406 acrylic adhesives, and is available in off-white or black.

LORD Accelerator 19GB allows precise control of the adhesive bondline thickness due to its content of glass beads. LORD Accelerator 19GB is available in off-white, red or gray.
IMO, at this point, I believe this to be the 19GB because of the gray appearance in the Polaris assemblies and the superior sag resistance/bond-line thickness control during assembly... the glass beads are .010" dia. ... this would give consistency in the assembled product strength.

Some of the properties that make this a great choice for snowmobile assembly are low temp strength properties, ease of application... and VERY important in Snowmobile repairs... the ability to release the bond with reasonable heat.

Once adhesive is cured, heat the adhesive to 400°F (204°C) or above to release the part....pretty simple.

The components on the PRO Chassis structure that are bonded with 406 adhesive
  1. Left/right bulkhead clips are bonded to the left/right support braces
  2. Left/right support braces are bonded to the tunnel assembly
  3. Bulkhead floor plate
  4. Top of front tunnel bulkhead cooler

The bulkhead halves are not bonded together.

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Remove grease, loose contamination or poorly adhering oxides from metal surfaces.
Normal amounts of mill oils and drawing compounds usually do not present a problem in adhesion. Most plastics require a simple cleaning before bonding.
Some may require abrading for optimum performance.
Lord Adhesives 406 general information... sign up on the site for more detailed information.
http://www.lord.com/Products-and-Sol.../Product.xml/6

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You can order a complete "Kit" from Polaris Parts for this adhesive...
Lord 406 Repair Kit (50 ML) Polaris Part number 2204171

This kit (PN 2204171) includes
The kit includes the following items:
• 12 static mixer needles
• 1 50 ML adhesive cartridge
• 1 standard caulking gun adapter sleeve
• 1 plunger adapter
The price on this is kit is $195

The price for the 50ml adhesive cartridge itself, PN 2204400 is $40

I have found that you can purchase these items online from other sources at reasonable prices.

I've used www.ellsworth.com and www.nmsignsupply.com... great prices on a variety of adhesives... But I have to check on package sizes (50ml/300ml), glass-bead-accelerator and prices.

For around $80 including shipping you should be able to get an adhesive cartridge, 12 mixing nozzles, and a dedicated application gun.

Extra 50ml adhesive cartridges are about $14 each.

Sometimes these pop up on Ebay... but you have to watch out for expiration date and how they have been stored.

Make sure that you have plenty of the mixing nozzles on hand as they only have about a 6 minute usable life once the adhesive has been mixed in the nozzle.

I'm checking into some other vendors to see if they can put together a "Snowmobile repair package" for SnoWest readers.

406 "gun", 406 adhesive, 50ml cartridges , Mixing Nozzles






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1. Load the cartridge into the applicator gun and remove the end caps.
2. Level the plungers by expelling a small amount of adhesive to ensure both sides are level.
3. Attach mixing tip and expel a mixer’s length of adhesive.
4. Apply adhesive to substrate and mate the parts within the working time of the adhesive. Clamp in position until adhesive reaches handling strength.

Do not re-expose adhesive to air once parts are mated. Mated parts should be repositioned by sliding to achieve proper alignment.
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This stuff is pretty amazing!!

Stronger than welding in many situations.

I'm working with a supplier to put together a "SnoWest" package with gun/adhesive/nozzles and shipping.
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Here is a thread where this same adhesive to install his SPG airframe running boards.

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/s...d.php?t=219242

I'll be using it on my own custom build.

STRONG STRONG STRONG...

This ties the parts together into a unit-body which is one of the reasons why this new sled is so strong while remaing light.

The bondline can tie the components together with strength that welding cannot... as well as not contributing to weld-boundary deficencies that traditional sheet metal/weldment construction is limited by.

Good reading on the concept

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocoque
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