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Shibumi
01-24-2008, 03:45 PM
Anyone ever remove the spring on the front shock of a 600 hawk (this ones a 2004) to try and soften up the ride. I'm a convert from sleds to this and love it but these things seem to have more spring than they need and are very stiff. It probably only sags 1 1/2 to 2 inches when you sit on it and it is very stiff on the trashed trails. I've loosened up the 2 rear shocks about as much as I'm comfortable with, took off the rubber covers and replaced with standard shock covers to prevent some of the snow/ice pack on them. I'm thinking of taking off the the front spring, (but leaving the shock of course) any thoughts or experience?

BC

GTBlack
01-24-2008, 06:12 PM
this will put more presure on your front ski. thats y im affried to take it off. i trail ride too love the machine i thought it was to stiff at first to but now that i ride faster i like it where it is.

snowhawkaddict
01-24-2008, 09:20 PM
All of our machines are running this way now, the 800 now will drag the pegs under hard acceleration on a trail, thats how much softer it will get.

2008 enduro models, and maybe the others omitted the entire shock.

super swede
01-24-2008, 10:02 PM
what thas taking the spring of do to the handling in powder
less trenching or more?
Jonny

snowhawkaddict
01-24-2008, 10:05 PM
Just do it, you can all ways putt it back.

Shibumi
01-25-2008, 09:43 AM
It's the putting it back on part that I'm hesitant about.
Looks simple enough but that's what I thought about changing the track out!
Anybody know of a spring supplier for custom springs?

BC

Shibumi
01-25-2008, 09:47 AM
Hey GT,
You running the twin axis ski?
If so, any time with it in the powder and do you crank it down or leave it at the trail setting?

BC

snowhawkaddict
01-25-2008, 05:06 PM
It's the putting it back on part that I'm hesitant about.
Looks simple enough but that's what I thought about changing the track out!
Anybody know of a spring supplier for custom springs?

BC

I will talk you through it!

GTBlack
01-25-2008, 05:58 PM
ya i have the twin axis ski but 95 percent of my riding is on trail so i usually just leave it pritty much as soft as it will go.

buffaloHAWK
01-26-2008, 07:33 AM
maybe someone would want to trade me their "too stiff" 600 suspension for my too plush 503 suspension? would they swap out? i live where the trails are usually 2-3 whoops if not bigger and mine is way too soft. i will admit when the trails are fairly smooth i love it plush but when it gets rough i love to hammer on it and show the 2 skis boys and girls how good they are in the bumps. no more of that side to side swapping having the bars riped from my hands!

Shibumi
01-26-2008, 09:39 AM
After thinking about it and even after the "SHAH's" committment to help, I think it's the 2 rear springs that need the attention. I think the potential of this suspension is lost with the stiffness of it (not in the fluff but the trails). Guess my old butt'l have to hammer a bit harder which , after a few rides, is getting easier as my comfort zones expand (my rear end and my skill level!)
Thanks for the input.
Any Michigan riders feel like riding in the UP Feb. 29 thru March 3 gimme a shout. Staying in Curtis with a group of trail riders and want to get off trail for a day or two between Seney and Grand Marais.


BC

JAYHAWK
01-27-2008, 07:56 AM
The 2004 / 2005 600 Hawks All Ran A 320 Lb Rear Spring Rate On The Rear Skid Vertical Shocks, 2006 All Ran A 280lb Rate Spring On The 3 Shocks. 2006 600 Valving Was Different By 2 Shims In Each Rebound Shock Stack. We Set Up Quite A Few Older 600's To 2006 Stack Specs With Good Results. I Never Removed The Front Shock Competely, Just The Spring. The 2008 Models All Run Without The Front Skid Shock. This Set Up Is Very Very Soft. By Leaving The Front Shock On The Bike Seems To Take The Chop Better Without Packing Up The Rear. These Shocks Seem To Loose Nitro Charge Over Time, All Require A 300lb Charge. I Also Run All Hawks In The Lowered Position And Drop The Front In The Forks. I Currently Run A 2007 800 With The Front Spring Removed, The Bike Feels About Right, Very Predictable On And Off The Trail. Just A Few Thoughts On The Subject.

Shibumi
01-28-2008, 10:04 AM
Thanks Jayhawk, very helpful.
How does the removal of front spring affect steering? You using the twin axis?

BC

SeattleSnowHawker
01-28-2008, 10:47 PM
This issue has been driving me insane since I got my 05 600HO. To F'n Stiff in the rear!!! I have backed the springs off soooooo much on the vertical and horizontals - over the whoops still kicks like crazy. i just removed the spring off the horizontal shock, I'll inform you of my results. It seems to be softer sitting in my garage, find out this weekend! I want it to suck up the bumps like my RM...

Shibumi
01-30-2008, 08:46 AM
Anxious to hear the results Seattle.
Ski pressure/hardpack steering is my main concern.


BC

SeattleSnowHawker
01-30-2008, 07:01 PM
Anxious to hear the results Seattle.
Ski pressure/hardpack steering is my main concern.


BC

That was the only reason I didn't remove it, as the manual states to use this spring/shock tension to adjust pressure on the ski. But now that I ride it better, I think the lean back and gas it mentality will make it ok. Seems like this weekend wont be a good test for hard packed and bumps, but who's complaining!

Hawkified
02-01-2008, 12:17 AM
Go to your local shock guy and have him remove some shims from the stack in your shocks until its to your liking. Our shocks in the 04 600 used to have 12-14 shims we have reduced it to 7-8 and it made the ride a lot better. never removed the middle shock

Shibumi
02-05-2008, 12:02 PM
update?

SeattleSnowHawker
02-05-2008, 12:19 PM
update?

Unfortunately I did not make it past NB pass was closed on Sunday when I tried... :( I am loaded and gassed up on my trailer waiting for this weekend.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

snow hawk gal
02-05-2008, 01:06 PM
I believe Tony and Paul are going riding again up by Stampede this weekend. Shoot us an email snowhawkaddict@hotmail.com
Also save some gas for Hawkfest :)

super swede
02-16-2008, 06:45 PM
Tock my front spring of and put the shock back in
i rode it today and it hocks up good but is way to soft
when you jump it
i think i am going to try more preload on the other two shocks
04 600 chassi
Jonny

Shibumi
02-18-2008, 08:22 AM
Getting used to it now, the throttle seems to soften the ride up a bit:)

SeattleSnowHawker
03-02-2008, 11:40 AM
Anxious to hear the results Seattle.
Ski pressure/hardpack steering is my main concern.


BC

Taking the spring out of the middle worked on the trail. WAY to soft for the big stuff... I posted this on another link, but wanted to reply here also..

http://www.snowest.com/forum/showpost.php?p=343152&postcount=6