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Haydays choices: Truth about motor/light weight mods or riding with a pro

Prayn4snow

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So, you're going to Haydays for the 1st time and you have some cash in your pocket or room on your credit card. What do you do? And you're hanging with your buddies and one of the guys in your group is 19 years old, but knows everything has done this or his sisters next door step brother 500cc sled rips with XX done to it and beats turbos… Yes, every group has one of those guys.
Like many, you're looking for some performance mods. Pipe, can, boost, big bore etc or you looking for light weight anything, cans, Ti, bumpers etc. Maybe you're looking for suspension/drivetrain mods, shocks, skids, tracks, drivers, belt drives, narrow front ends etc.

Ill be honest, each one of these can add to your sleds characteristics. But if you don't use the right combination you could end up with worse than you have now. What do I mean? How do I know? Well, I'm not the best rider out there by far, but Ive been building mod sleds for over 30 years and I’m still far from an expert.

I cant tell you everything you need to know here so buyer beware. Ask one of the guys in your group that has a similar sled and what worked or didn't for them. “Try” not to mix different brand stuff unless you know its compatible for example don't buy a used pipe brand “X” at the swap meet and buy brand “Y” can/muffler if you don't know if they will work together, you might actually lose power. Unless you just like experimenting, then go for it.

Haydays has a “huge” collection of experienced riders, builders, aftermarket manufactures and tuners. Seek them out, ask tough questions. Skill and experience is what your looking for. Some are very proud of the hours of R&D that went into thier product. Don't always look for the best price. $20 saving on something stinks in Jan when your broke down. Not everyone is a scammer, some of these builders truly build off their reputation. BM Fab for example, these are real sledders out ripping and building some great bumpers and running boards. Their welders will be there, ask them questions. Look for sleds like mine with scratches dings and dents then you will see how things held up after getting used not a trailer queen parking lot poser.

Do you really need boost? Are you always riding in elevation in deep snow? Go for it. I ride high and low elevation so its hard to justify. If you know your keeping the sled for a few years build it up as you can afford it like stage tune kits. Start with a can, pipe and clutching for example. Ask how their pipe has held up, how many returns? Do you need a tuner?

Yes, to much to list here, thats why you seek out the experts. Not just the factory sponsored pros that need to push their stuff.

Most Important question. Can you ride your current sled to its full potential? The truth is actually interesting. I ride with a lot of different people. Good, bad, great, Pros and the guy that is always stuck or broke down more than everyone. Very Very few can ride their sled its full potential even pros. So, do you even need any of these mods or do you just need some lessons? Don't discount this. Last winter for example I rode with Chris Burandt, not as a paid class but as some guys going out to rip. There were other professionals in the group as well. Chris beat us all so bad with his light weight mod sled it wasn't even close. So, then we heard stuff like “I could do that if I had a $30k sled, with blah blah blah”. So, this is where the truth hurts. The next day, same guys, but Chris brought out a bone stock sled other than a hot dogger. Same fresh, deep snow….Chris beat all of us…it still wasn't even close. Why? Some of the guys had full on sponsored race sleds with big $$ everything. The difference was skill and experience. You could spend thousands or tens of thousands on a mod sled that your going to sell in a year or so. Or you could suck up your manhood and go ride with a number of different pros that can teach you skills that will last and last. Also ask around on them, some will teach you what your lacking, others just take you out. Haydays is awesome! Have fun and good luck!
 
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Sled208

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Agree!!! Too many of us flatlanders gambling on mods that we are going to have to haul 700 miles across the country to be disappointed. Those days of riding are precious and I'm not wiling to compromise on reliability and you should be considerate of others in your group as well. When one sled goes down, the entire group has to invest their time in getting it out of the backcountry. I know I cannot push my sled to the max of it's abilities however, the more capable my sled is, the more forgiving it is for getting out of trouble and it makes
 

richracer1

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I also agree.

As for engine mods, go with a company that make kits in various stages, such as SLP and BMP, and stick with their components. The kits have been tested and the tuning, if required, is built around those components.

As for suspension mods, that's a little more involved, but boils down to pick a manufacture that has a reputation for outstanding customer support and has spares for sale (mostly for front arms).
 
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LongHorn XC

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Agree!!! Too many of us flatlanders gambling on mods that we are going to have to haul 700 miles across the country to be disappointed. Those days of riding are precious and I'm not wiling to compromise on reliability and you should be considerate of others in your group as well. When one sled goes down, the entire group has to invest their time in getting it out of the backcountry. I know I cannot push my sled to the max of it's abilities however, the more capable my sled is, the more forgiving it is for getting out of trouble and it makes

Here is a great idea. When you are a flatlander, like to mod, just have a stock sled as a spare. This is the only way I'll do it. Last year was my first time to experience a Turbo, well mine ran flawless with the mods. Other stockers in the group didn't par so good. I know all 24 others in the group where just waiting for the Turbo to fail. Lol
 

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You would be surprised how many people throw 3 different manufactures performance parts together and then call us up asking why it isn't working. Then proceed to get mad when I tell them it is hard to determine why it isn't making the power that they are expecting. If I could tell people one thing that is the most important whether you are buying from Bikeman or any other performance manufacturer Stick with one reputable company!. Reputable performance companies invest the time and resources to test their products before releasing them. A reputable company may not be the cheapest one or the first one to market but it will have the quality and trouble free operation that keeps people coming back.

If you mismatch parts or bargain shop you are creating your own headache!
 
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