STANDALONE ECU PLUG N PLAY DIRECT FACTORY REPLACEMENT 800CC POLARIS ENGINE

2XM3 said:

PRECISION E.F.I. said:

LOL...better yet why don't you give me one and i'll mess with it for you.
After running my buisness for 25 years, selling it,moving up here retired the last thing I want to do it is mess with motors.
don't want to be disrespectfull, but what is the point to come on here and laydown your ideas if you don't want to help the sledder community?? after 25 years, you may have saved 1995$, no???
If I was going to do this I would call Phil Royds and get a system to mess with and then sell it.
LOL......Philip would send you back to me!!!we have the worldwide distribution on this one!! on top of that, Vi-pec is a world known company and not jerking around their dealers or exclusive distributors.
But in all seroiusness, You have a good idea using a known system.
we are a distributor for vi-pec for 7 years now and we know the software is spot on and most of the time trouble free....that is why we are working with the guys in NZ.
Problem you will face is that even tho the price of 1700.00 is dirt cheap from vipec for there system,and is in fact a great bargin,
I agree with you 100%
we are dealing with a very, very limited market is the turbo sled world. First off how many actual kits would you sell ?
Not realy interested in selling turbo kits.....interested in selling ECU!!
Well figure there are around 400 or so turbo kits sold a year, if that, to 2 stroke sledders, probably 75% of those are more than happy with the system that comes in the kit, as they do in fact work quite well when installed and set up right.
this statement From a guy with 25 years in the businness is quite amazing!! what ever motor you have put together(e.f.i.) you are telling me you have dumped boost in and didn't adjust timing?didn't manage extra injectors(mixture map) ect...all the stuff you can't do with a fuel box....it is anti mechanic to dump boost without playing around with timing, ask EVERY tuner you know everyone will tell you same story.....also there is a big difference in the "running good" expression between you and me i guess.I don't know one single fuel box permitting you running the sled half throttle at 3 lbs boost without melting down your motor in less than 50 seconds. evryone is not climbing chutes WOT then go down the hill then go back doing so all day......there is no other solution than a standalone for guys that want to RIDE all day without having to play back and forth with throttle all day long watchibg their egts and afr gauge..... there is way more people boondocking,going to their camp,racing lakes and sledding on groom trails then people climbing chutes all day long.
So we are now down to maybe 100 a year.
i think you should let me handle my business plan and not care about it!! we have already sold 69 ECU and the racing world is not even aware the ECU is out there so aren't the polaris dealers. the major sales will come from power packages (ported cylinders,bigger throttle,high compression head and a tuned pipe) and 35-40 hp safely.
Second problem is that a sled is a disposible item, you ride hard and its pretty much shot after 2 seasons, and if not its been replaced by newer more advanced models. Yes you could use the system on another sled, but thats still a bit of work to redo it all.
that is why we are now FULL TIME on the powersports, we are going to take care of the mapping and development, we will not let down our customers, distributors.
Sure I would lilke efi on my n/a mod sled to replace the flawless,easy to tune Mikuni flat slides I run, but do I want to take time from sledding,racing,golf,hunting,fishing,sking,dog trials and my other hobbies to spend time to dial in a new system? Nope, been there, done that.......just not fun for me anymore, like honda says "I want to ride"
well, i guess it doesn't take everybody the same time to tune a particular setup!! if you can hunt,golf,race,sled,fish,ski, ect. in 2-3 day, then you are a superman :face-icon-small-sho
lmao:face-icon-small-ton I faced this same dilemma a few years back when setting up my Turbo street car, wanted to do it all myself as i';ve always done but made the decision to let Protomotive just do the build for me,expensive? you bet, but cheaper in the long run with much less headaches.
that was wise from you, let the professionals do the work.
That being said if you had a nice bolt on ready to run turbo system with the vipec efi, that was fully tested and ran perfect with no issues for lets say 7-8K,
when the mapping is done, it will run forever you know that....biggest challenge with 2 stroke is taking care of the charge temp so reeds aren't delaminating every 500 miles :face-icon-small-fro , for the rest of the game it is pretty straight forward.
yes I would buy one from you and be very happy with it. :tea:
i hope, since you already know the product, understand it is the best possible bargain at 1995$(billet aluminum case,not casted)and the perfect tuning tool for big bore,porting,pipes,heads,turbo,racing applications ect..Join the dance and help the sledding community to improve the aftermarket e.f.i.......:tea:

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2XM3 said:

well like I said, hope it works... as far as my backround and the 'professional" remark...I employed over 60 people and retired from racing at 44. Drove blown alcohol flat and pro mod (car) for 12 years, 3 championships and a basement full of trophies. We built Busch,WOO,Trans-am,have-a-tampa,tractor pull,northwest tour,southwest tour,BAFC,BAD and 100's of lesser motors
Dindn't want to piss you off at all, i found weird some of your statement that's all. Like i said earlier, you might have been building what ever motor on the planet , hardware is completely different then e.f.i. and you know that, from your previous intervention, i understand you are not the one "tuning" your setup (probably managing someone that does tuning), that is my understanding of some of your intervention.
I still machine parts for my friend who builds turbines for the world championship Unlimited hydro race boats as well as the miss Geico offshore boat and Bill Tomlinsons record setting cat.
Still hardware related....we are talking e.f.i. here....just a reminder.
I still go to PRI and SEMA most every year.
I am jealous.....too busy for the last 4 years to showup there....but vi-pec(philip) as a good company,his there every year giving the distributors a nice window over the market.
Pissing people off who have been on here for years helping guys by suggesting they are not "professional" is not the way to sell your product
again, i am sorry if i pissed you off and the "professional" remarks were targeted at some of your comments and not toward your entire career sir, again it is obvious for me, by some of your statement, you are way more into the hardware fabrication than electronic fuel injection tuning(specific application) most of your private modded vehicules look to be carburated)....telling me 100% of the turbo kit, if well put together, are working flawless is a very bold statement........what if your stock corvette motor N/a get 25 psi of boost and i install a dobeck box on it not touching timing and every other sensors???but still manage not to blow it for a few 500 ft runs and telling you not to hold throttle same position more than 15 seconds anywhere but 100% wot.....would you tell me it is working flawless?? i don't want to enter a pssing match with you, if you have anything more to say please PM me and we can chat back.....as both prosessionals, let's clear off that thread and let the customer reactions or statement dominate

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2XM3 said:

its all good....
thanks , appreciate your cooperation on that.
tell ya what if you ever head down this way you are welcome to stay here at my place and go sleddin with us. :face-icon-small-coo
that is very generous from you sir, we never know!!
Bring a sled with your system and i'll be the first one to give you a great review here if it works well.
Snow started to fly a week ago, we are going to make hugh steps in tuning in the several weeks coming, Already some of our distributors are on the snow and we will keep everyone aware on how the testing goes.
As far as the boxes, i'd venture a educated guess that the big reason they work well is the very low boost they run, figure most maybe 5-10 pounds.
Again, they are a bandaid on the cancer .....like i have sais numerous times, "working good" is a general expression that doesn't mean the same for everybody!!! the logic behind tuning at 2-5-9-15-25-40 psi is the pretty much the same, just a little more carefull with hi boost!!! the problem when arguing over forums is always what is your tolerance to what is for you(means the peron behind the keyboard) a "good running sled" compared to me(professional e.f.i. engine calibrator).....to me a good running sled is ,even modded, a OEM feeling with more power!!Pretty easy to get a simple "box" system to run low boost.
not neccessarly!!! it is the same logic behind tuning at 5 psi than 50 psi......at 50psi we may need your professional hardware though!!!
Now as you said 25 psi? wooooo better have a damn good programable system on that baby !
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P.s: we are supporting multiple subaru/mitsubishi rallye teams across north america, also sponsoring a "budweiser sponsered" 98 ford lightnening(modded stock) in the low 8's at 35 psi supercharged and a lot of GT racers across canada/usa......this year we were the "scion canada" accredited tuners and we have built electrionic scheme for both scion canada's gt touring cars.......so if you ever need our help on some of your professional or personal set up you can call!!

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Sunvang said:

Just one question, im noob to this so im just asking. Are these really necessary?
no add-on are necessary.
Or they just a, "if you want" option? I see alot of turboed and non turbos sleds riding around with standard fuel controller with no problems.
depends what you mean by no problems....
What do these do, that are so unique that they are a must, and can defend the price?
remove your stock ecu, plug a pcv,dobeck,bd ect and crank your sled and tell me what you ear? then plug our ecu and crank and tell me what you ear? this ecu is a full replacement for the sled that can manage boost ,nos or any kinda mods possible....hope you understand what i mean.

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Skadi said:

I'm gonna chime in here as a turbo noob... learning how to tune the sled to get the absolute MAX out of it for TOTALLY VARYING conditions is where I see this box REALLY helping me! I ride ALL OVER the board as far as snow types, elevations, weather... stuff that no turbo sled however well tuned it is can adjust to without a little box tweakage... now... I SUCK at tweaking on teh box! I just haven't learned it yet. I know I will eventually but the thought of not adding another thing to my plate is REALLY nice for me.... If I could take my turbo and MAXIMIZE the power out of it. KNOW that i'm truely getting the BEST performance out of it at all times and not have to EVER tweak on it?? heeeellllsss yeah!!!!

another bonus... I let my sled get taken out for rips pretty often. AND, i'm always expecting it to do different things. from tight trees or even a day on the trail taking a friend for a ride, to loooong chute pulls. having my sled work FLAWLESSLY across the board would be REALLY nice. Not just work well. right now it works well... but i really like to have flawless performance and SAFE performance in case someone gets on it who isn't used to watching the gauges!

I dunno... turning a turbo into OPTIMIZED performance but as a pull and go machine that I never have to think about sounds pretty sweet to me!!

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starfire99 said:

Can you add a throttle body to the kit so the injectors are positioned where they're supposed to be......ie polaris.....you can remap all you want
yes you can remap all you want
....if fuel is not fully vaporised in the combustion chamber, it won't burn properly and runnung quality suffers. Arctic Cat, F1, Superbikes put fuel into the airflow as far upstreem as possible to ensure it's fully vaporised when it reaches the cylinder. So why not build a converion plate that mounts to the throttle bodies, remove the injectors from the transfer ports, put em back where they belong at the intake side of the motor then apply a rock-solid control system and go snowmobiling
i am waiting to receive that new mounting location and will help you with tuning:face-icon-small-win
.....Where polaris fooled themselves is they saw etec come out, didn't have comparable technology, and thought they could move conventional injectors closer to the combustion process.....totally the opposite of what reality dictates.....too many geekaroids, too many computors.
well, i won't ask myself why they did this or that......to complicated!

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