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President Obama has restricted land thru the national monuments land Antiquities act of 1906 ... more land than the state of Texas.

Largest monumental/restricted lands are in UTAH as did President Clinton in 1996

Trump signed to have a completed 45 day review and a 120 day review to reduce the size of the land designation as it states in the law. Minimal land to preserve a monument.

Signing the executive order at the Department of the Interior 26 April, Trump called President Barack Obama's creation of national monuments an "egregious use of power." Echoing a common complaint of western state lawmakers, he said the Antiquities Act "does not give the federal government unlimited power to lock up" millions of acres of land and water.

The executive order does not strip any monument of a designation. The executive order does not loosen any environmental or conservation regulation on any land or marine areas," he said. "It is a review of the last 20 years."

No US President has ever revoked a national monument proclamation by another President — but Congress has taken action to abolish 11 monuments throughout history.

The executive order asks the DEPT of Interior to review monuments designated over the past 21 years and provide a report within 120 days. But the report makes a special case for the Bears Ears monument — one of Obama's last official acts in office — by asking for an interim report in 45 days.

The review applies only to national monuments of 100,000 acres or more.
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I think these preserves are really needed. Many of the easter battles are actually under siege and that should be a bigger priority. The federal government should establish a good relationship with the states where the preserves reside. This is a tough call indeed.
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The new Bear Ears Buttes monument includes 1.35 million acres of Utah and the Gold Butte monument includes about 300,000 acres in Nevada.
That makes a total of 553 million acres of national lands and waters that Obama has repurposed for conservation and protection using the 1906 Antiquities act, more than any other president...

No one can use these lands
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I came to read about President Trump's latest Executive Order bout the distribution of National Parks. I think they need to hand it back to the Congress. But it is undoubtedly true that Obama has created bigger monuments compared to the other presidents in the past.
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The Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in Utah was created by Clinton in 1996. And Katahdin Woods and Waters in Maine, created last year by Obama.
At 87,500 acres, Katahdin is the only one of the 22 monuments under review that is smaller than 100,000 acres, the minimum size designated by the order.
The Interior Department said Katahdin will be reviewed under a provision that singles out whether a monument was created or expanded without adequate public outreach and coordination with relevant stakeholders. The land east of Maine's Baxter State Park was bought by Burt's Bees co-founder Roxanne Quimby, whose foundation donated it to the federal government.
Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke has been directed to produce an interim report next month and make a recommendation on Bears Ears, and then issue a final report within 120 days.
Zinke, who will visit Bears Ears and Grand Staircase early this coming week, said the department, for the first time, is seeking public comments on national monument designations. Public comment is not required when presidents create monuments under the Antiquities Act.
The request for comments "finally gives a voice to local communities and states when it comes to Antiquities Act monument designations," Zinke said in a statement. "There is no predetermined outcome on any monument."
The order has already sparked a sharp response from the Sierra Club and other environmental groups that are concerned about any possible changes ending the protections and allowing use of the land for oil or gas drilling.
“America’s parks and public lands are not in need of corporate restructuring,” the Sierra Club said. “We should not be asking which parts of our history and heritage we can eliminate, but instead how we can make our outdoors reflect the full American story.”
Members of a coalition of five Western tribes that pushed for the Bears Ears designation have said they're outraged the administration will review a decision they say was already scrutinized by the Obama administration, including a multi-day visit last year by then-Interior Secretary Sally Jewell.
"Once it's designated, it's designated," said Davis Filfred of the Navajo Nation. “He's disregarding the Native Americans, the first people of this nation. This is sacred land."
The 111-year-old Antiquities Act grants presidents the authority to create national monuments from federal land to protect its historic, cultural and scientific significance, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld such changes.
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Interior Department Releases List of Monuments Under Review, Announces First-Ever Formal Public Comment Period for Antiquities Act Monuments
Office of the Secretary
5/5/2017

Date: May 5, 2017
Contacts: Interior_Press@ios.doi.gov
WASHINGTON*– The Department of the Interior today announced the first ever formal public comment period for members of the public to officially weigh in on monument designations under the Antiquities Act of 1906, and the Department released a list of monuments under review under the President’s Executive Order 13792, issued April 26, 2017. A public comment period is not required for monument designations under the Antiquities Act; however, Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke and President Trump both strongly believe that local input is a critical component of federal land management.
Comments may be submitted online after May 12 at*http://www.regulations.gov*by entering “DOI-2017-0002” in the Search bar and clicking “Search,” or by mail to Monument Review, MS-1530, U.S. Department of the Interior, 1849 C Street NW, Washington, DC 20240.
DATES: The Department will shortly publish a notice in the Federal Register officially opening the public comment period. Written comments relating to the Bears Ears National Monument must be submitted within 15 days of publication of that notice. Written comments relating to all other designations subject to Executive Order 13792 must be submitted within 60 days of that date.
“The Department of the Interior is the steward of America’s greatest treasures and the manager of one-fifth of our land. Part of being a good steward is being a good neighbor and listening to the American people who we represent,” said Secretary Zinke. “Today’s action, initiating a formal public comment process finally gives a voice to local communities and states when it comes to Antiquities Act monument designations. There is no pre-determined outcome on any monument. I look forward to hearing from and engaging with local communities and stakeholders as this process continues.”
Executive Order 13792 of April 26, 2017 (82 FR 20429, May 1, 2017), directs the Secretary of the Interior to review certain National Monuments designated or expanded under the Antiquities Act of 1906, 54 U.S.C. 320301-320303 (Act). Specifically, Section 2 of the Executive Order directs the Secretary to conduct a review of all Presidential designations or expansions of designations under the Antiquities Act made since January 1, 1996, where the designation covers more than 100,000 acres, where the designation after expansion covers more than 100,000 acres, or where the Secretary determines that the designation or expansion was made without adequate public outreach and coordination with relevant stakeholders, to determine whether each designation or expansion conforms to the policy set forth in section 1 of the order.*Among other provisions, Section 1 states that designations should reflect the Act’s “requirements and original objectives” and “appropriately balance the protection of landmarks, structures, and objects against the appropriate use of Federal lands and the effects on surrounding lands and communities.” *82 FR 20429 (May 1, 2017).*
In making the requisite determinations, the Secretary is directed to consider:
(i) * *the requirements and original objectives of the Act, including the Act’s requirement that reservations of land not exceed “the smallest area compatible with the proper care and management of the objects to be protected”;
(ii) * whether designated lands are appropriately classified under the Act as “historic landmarks, historic and prehistoric structures, [or] other objects of historic or scientific interest”;
(iii) *the effects of a designation on the available uses of designated Federal lands, including consideration of the multiple-use policy of section 102(a)(7) of the Federal Land Policy and Management Act (43 U.S.C. 1701(a)(7)), as well as the effects on the available uses of Federal lands beyond the monument boundaries;
(iv) * the effects of a designation on the use and enjoyment of non-Federal lands within or beyond monument boundaries;
(v) * *concerns of State, tribal, and local governments affected by a designation, including the economic development and fiscal condition of affected States, tribes, and localities;
(vi) * the availability of Federal resources to properly manage designated areas; and
(vii) *such other factors as the Secretary deems appropriate.
82 FR 20429-20430 (May 1, 2017).
The National Monuments being initially reviewed are listed in the following tables:
NATIONAL MONUMENTS BEING INITIALLY REVIEWED PURSUANT TO CRITERIA IN EXECUTIVE ORDER 13792
Monument
Location
Year(s)
Acreage
Basin and Range
Nevada
2015
703,585
Bears Ears
Utah
2016
1,353,000
Berryessa Snow Mountain
California
2015
330,780
Canyons of the Ancients
Colorado
2000
175,160
Carrizo Plain
California
2001
204,107
Cascade Siskiyou
Oregon
2000/2017
100,000
Craters of the Moon
Idaho
1924/2000
737,525
Giant Sequoia
California
2000
327,760
Gold Butte
Nevada
2016
296,937
Grand Canyon-Parashant
Arizona
2000
1,014,000
Grand Staircase-Escalante
Utah
1996
1,700,000
Hanford Reach
Washington
2000
194,450.93
Ironwood Forest
Arizona
2000
128,917
Mojave Trails
California
2016
1,600,000
Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks
New Mexico
2014
496,330
Rio Grande del Norte
New Mexico
2013
242,555
Sand to Snow
California
2016
154,000
San Gabriel Mountains
California
2014
346,177
Sonoran Desert
Arizona
2001
486,149
Upper Missouri River Breaks
Montana
2001
377,346
Vermilion Cliffs
Arizona
2000
279,568
NATIONAL MONUMENTS BEING REVIEWED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE DESIGNATION OR EXPANSION WAS MADE WITHOUT ADEQUATE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND COORDINATION WITH RELEVANT STAKEHOLDERS
Katahadin Woods and Waters
Maine * * **
2016 * * * *
87,563 * **
*
The Department of the Interior seeks public comments related to: (1) Whether national monuments in addition to those listed above should be reviewed *because they were designated or expanded after January 1, 1996 “without adequate public outreach and coordination with relevant stakeholders;” and (2) the application of factors (i) through (vii) set forth above to the listed national monuments or to other Presidential designations or expansions of designations meeting the criteria of the Executive Order.*With respect to factor (vii), comments should address other factors the Secretary might consider for this review.
In a separate but related process, certain Marine National Monuments will also be reviewed. As directed by section 4 of Executive Order 13795 of April 28, 2017, “Implementing An America-First Offshore Energy Strategy” (82 FR 20815, May 3, 2017), the Department of Commerce will lead the review of the Marine National Monuments in consultation with the Secretary of the Interior. To assist in that consultation, the Secretary will accept comments related to the application of factors (i) through (vii) in Executive*
Order 13792 as set forth above to the following Marine National Monuments:
MARINE NATIONAL MONUMENTS BEING REVIEWED PURSUANT TO EXECUTIVE ORDERS 13795 AND 13792
Marianas Trench
CNMI/Pacific Ocean
2009
60,938,240
Northeast Canyons and Seamounts
Atlantic Ocean
2016
3,114,320
Pacific Remote Islands
Pacific Ocean
2009
55,608,320
Papahanaumokuakea
Hawaii/Pacific Ocean
2006/2016
89,600,000
Rose Atoll
American Samoa/Pacific Ocean
2009
8,609,045
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