a 2nd "YamaCat" joint venture (Apex) sled??

christopher · Oct 27, 2014

Has anyone caught a whisper about another completely new joint venture sled that Yamaha and Arctic cat might be working on, or even TESTING right now??

New Cat chases using the Yamaha Apex engine.??

Berg570FE · Oct 27, 2014

No . . . . but I'd buy it the second it was available!

M5- · Oct 27, 2014

If true that will be the kiss of death for the Viper.

M5

Deep Powder Guy · Oct 27, 2014

If the talk is R1 motor (awesome motor) wouldn't that be old technology ? I'm really hoping for cutting edge technology. If anyone can deliver Yamaha has the ability.

DPG

doornenbal · Oct 27, 2014

That would suck ........ only because id have to sell the viper...... but the sled would be wicked

christopher · Oct 27, 2014

This is just pure unsubstantiated rumor..

But supposedly there is a NEW chassis that Cat has developed that Yamaha is testing.

The engine is an UNKNOWN.
Speculation is that it is a 4 cylinder out of an Apex.

It is possible its one of the BRAND NEW ENGINES we have been promised.

Whatever it is, lets keep our collective eyes open looking for something new on the trails this winter.

There may well be a NEW BEAST out there just waiting for us to discover it.

BigFish BC · Oct 27, 2014

its the 849cc tripple in it,as far as i have heard its all yammi chassi

Jago · Oct 27, 2014

BigFish BC said:
its the 849cc tripple in it,as far as i have heard its all yammi chassi

Is this reliable intelligence, Big Fish? :spy:

If so, this is the first time.

christopher · Oct 27, 2014

BigFish BC said:
its the 849cc tripple in it,as far as i have heard its all yammi chassi

Hopefully its a new chassis that Cat is building just for Yamaha.
But I have NOT been able to confirm that "yet"...

Anylizer · Oct 27, 2014

"chassis" just sayin !!!

christopher · Oct 27, 2014

Anylizer said:
"chassis" just sayin !!!

Thanks.
I totally didn't see that.

Deep Powder Guy · Oct 27, 2014

christopher said:
This is just pure unsubstantiated rumor..

But supposedly there is a NEW chassis that Cat has developed that Yamaha is testing.

The engine is an UNKNOWN.
Speculation is that it is a 4 cylinder out of an Apex.

It is possible its one of the BRAND NEW ENGINES we have been promised.

Whatever it is, lets keep our collective eyes open looking for something new on the trails this winter.

There may well be a NEW BEAST out there just waiting for us to discover it.

So what your saying is if you see a sled running around with a full mesh bra over the hood disguising its logo...Follow It....if Cats building it I would assume it would be incognito around Cats test house in IP....They still have a test facility there ??

Some wireless spy cams at the facility could be the ticket

DPG

NM · Oct 27, 2014

Yamaha has an opportunity to do something huge with a new sled. They have an awesome little (relatively speaking) 3 cyl engine which if was boosted, would be 160-170 hp.
Because this motor is lighter than the 1049, the chassis around it can be lighter. IMO we would see a sled that will be in Doo and Cat weight range, but should out perform them at altitude.
The biggest obstacle will be cost.

turbo800 · Oct 27, 2014

I kinda thought the Doo 900 ACE would come out as a twin (think twin 450F dirtbike) instead of a triple. Talking to insiders, it was never meant for the mountain market, trails mostly...

christopher · Oct 27, 2014

One of these days we are promised several new engines.
Will be fun to see them when they get released.
For now we just have the rumor mill and hope...

RACINSTATION · Oct 27, 2014

I think Yamaha promised one new engine per year for the next 4 years? I can't remember the exact wording they used at the dealer show last year. Either way, we only know what we have right now so we need to make the best of it. I guarantee they are coming out with something cool in the near future, but I am not going to sell my sleds and wait by the keyboard for it to happen.

Deep Powder Guy · Oct 27, 2014

It's coming.... Years ago on this very forum we talked about lighter sleds with BB power...And every manufacture has delivered.

I don't know why I have the feeling that Yamaha will re-introduce a high out 2S motor in a ultra light chassis.....If you look at the profit margin alone a retail MTX Viper 162 is price pointed between a Cat ProClimb & Skidoo.XM 162's ...The difference being in which motor cost least to produce 2S or 4S ???....Clearly a 2S motor cost less to produce than a 4S motor....What ever Yamaha decides to do for motors if in fact a change is on the horizon keep it simple & ground breaking.

Heck if Cat can develop a niche four there 4S & 2S sleds certainly one would think Yamaha could do the same.

DPG

stingray719 · Oct 27, 2014

M5- said:
If true that will be the kiss of death for the Viper.

M5

Not if the Apex engine goes in a touring sled that weighs over 625 dry.....just sayin...

flying frenchman · Oct 27, 2014

Sure hope it's a 4 cyl.
You can't beat the reliability and best of all the sound.

vector boy · Oct 27, 2014

Deep Powder Guy said:
It's coming.... Years ago on this very forum we talked about lighter sleds with BB power...And every manufacture has delivered.

I don't know why I have the feeling that Yamaha will re-introduce a high out 2S motor in a ultra light chassis.....If you look at the profit margin alone a retail MTX Viper 162 is price pointed between a Cat ProClimb & Skidoo.XM 162's ...The difference being in which motor cost least to produce 2S or 4S ???....Clearly a 2S motor cost less to produce than a 4S motor....What ever Yamaha decides to do for motors if in fact a change is on the horizon keep it simple & ground breaking.

Heck if Cat can develop a niche four there 4S & 2S sleds certainly one would think Yamaha could do the same.

DPG

If you look at the motors Yamaha is using in their sleds, it's a variation of something already in production. Ie: rx1/apex and the r1, phazer and yz250f motors. The Nytro is really the only one that's somewhat different. I see the fz-09 motor coming into a sled this year. The new r1 motor next year to replace the apex. But, the apex is going onto 10 years old now. Will they drop the 4cylinder line, or update the motor?

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