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Saw this in the Poo section, interesting comments from the math challenged. You can see how much more power the Doo makes in the middle, close to 20 hp at the same rpm. This is why you can ride a Doo at 1/4 to 1/2 throttle and get a lot of work done lol.
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I said that to an Axis friend when he had followed me for a while.. I was only 1/2 to 3/4 most of the time... Him...Really!!??🤔
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date in the lower corner.... who's still in break in....
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Does anybody have a similar graph for the new Ctec 800 or Zuke to compare? Maybe overlay that graph with these?

The seat of my pants test is confirmed by this graph. Rode all of the new sleds over the last few months and they all feel really close. Great times we live in right now! Unless the sled you buy is a complete lemon, you have 3 great sleds to choose from.
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Can someone explain why more power at a lower RPM is better?

It looks to me like they have very similar peak hp. And a CVT allows the gear ratio to change to maintain a desired RPM if that's the case, why does it matter what RPM it's at? Seems to me it should be a question of what the highest peak hp is balanced with the smoothness of the power curve.
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Can someone explain why more power at a lower RPM is better?

It looks to me like they have very similar peak hp. And a CVT allows the gear ratio to change to maintain a desired RPM if that's the case, why does it matter what RPM it's at? Seems to me it should be a question of what the highest peak hp is balanced with the smoothness of the power curve.
Having more power available with less RPM means the motor is not working as hard.
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So there is a 250RPM +/- spread between the poo and the doo for any given HP right to max really. It's definitely noticeable having ridden both for a long time. Also suggests the doo motor will be more durable...but 850 doo has the highest piston speed in industry so time will tell on that front.

I think part of that is the the 10cc difference (850 vs 840) and more about doo choosing a longer stroke engine which produces more torque at any given RPM.

Will it make much difference when we ride? Not really. You can change ramp profile and clutch to match either power bands.

The doo is definitely faster revving but the poo has a more linear powerband which is a benefit in tight technical trees. Both have their place.

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Saw this in the Poo section, interesting comments from the math challenged. You can see how much more power the Doo makes in the middle, close to 20 hp at the same rpm. This is why you can ride a Doo at 1/4 to 1/2 throttle and get a lot of work done lol.
I think you might be the one a little confused as to how this all works. First you are trying to equate rpm and throttle position. You do understand that the graph represents WOT at all points. So if you are making 20 extra hp at 6500 rpm it is not at a lesser throttle opening, it is wide open.

The only real difference is the rpm it is making the power at. The person in the other thread that said the curves match except the rpm was correct. The only difference between the two is that the Poo requires an extra 2-300 rpm at any given point to make the same power.

It has also been correctly stated that this is all a wash when both are geared and clutched correctly. They really make the same power, the Doo looks a little fatter through the midrange but that again could go either way with regards to how the power feels based on clutching.
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