I'm sure it was for a few years. I've been out of the loop now for ~3 years, so I'm not sure now.
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I'm sure it was for a few years. I've been out of the loop now for ~3 years, so I'm not sure now.
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There one every year.
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$14,000 USD factory sled..............oh happy day......
Etec is only a true winner with people that like easy start sleds, no smoke, and dont like to buy oil. Outside of that its a no bueno deal.
The 600 has a something like a 1200 W stator........
Etec is only a true winner with people that like easy start sleds, no smoke, and dont like to buy oil. Outside of that its a no bueno deal.
The 600 has a something like a 1200 W stator........
And better fuel economy.
Other than those items, its a total waste
Other than those items, its a total waste
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Remember this, it takes fuel to make horsepower. Sustainable BSFC numbers havent really been lowered much with injection in the upper reaches of power output. That means for those of us that go out and work our machines, the fuel consumption will be very similar. What the etec system does do is control fuel delivery in the lower rpm zones, so cruising down the trail it will show better economy. Not at all important to me...
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This statement isn't true I was talking to a BRP engineer about the etec system and specifically an 800 etec (as I was considering snowchecking a new sled and wanted an 800 etec) I brought up the inability to flow enough fuel for an 800 and he said that wasn't what was holding them back from bringing it out they can flow significantly more fuel through the injectors than they are now. The 800 etec is already out there for validation testing and were seen on the trails in Quebec last winter already, the only reason why it wasn't released this spring is pure economics.
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And that's the truth ,sales are down
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It would be bad for the dealers that still have substantial carry over sleds from the last year or 2 to release it before they had an oppertunity to sell the carry over sleds. If there was a mid season release it will probably wouldn't be very many. I heard it was slightly low on horse power than the current "R" motor but they were trying to bring it up after the numbers cat posted with there new 800.
It would be nice for skidoo to get a bigger chunk of the turbo market if the aftermarket guys can get the fuelling dialed.
It would be nice for skidoo to get a bigger chunk of the turbo market if the aftermarket guys can get the fuelling dialed.
They may have fixed the problem then. That used to be the problem. I was on the Clean Snowmobile team and the University of Idaho when we were putting these injectors on the 600 Rotax motor (~2-3 years before Ski-Doo released it) and that was one of our biggest problems.
They have had a few years to work on it, so they have probably found a solution to that problem.
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When it comes down to it anything can be done and a turbo etec is inevitable. The 800 etec is out there and if economics is a factor in its not being released then maybe a limited snow check for next season. They should have done that this season to see the response from potential customers of the etec 800. I know the economy over all is bad but people are still spending money on toys. Look at yamaha squeezing their customers anywhere from 14500-16000 bucks for a new mountain sled + tax and the other costs!! I know some of the yamaha dealers are selling a hell of a lot of turbo kits for the high priced mountain machines as well, a lot! People for the most part don't get into snowmobiling because its a cheap sport and the etec, in my opinion, would sell like hot cakes. I personaly would not get one for the first couple of years as I like to see the bugs get worked out first but after a couple years I would buy one for sure.
And that is exactly the same thing I have been told as well.
BRP sure has the technology side though, just look at what they have done with the 2 stroke engines in their watercraft.
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So, this due to the High RPM, and limited time to inject? So, a lot of the gas still goes out the exhaust???
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1997 was the peak year, after that it went down.
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A guy smarter than me said last spring that the 800 E-Tec would be out mid-season.
A guy much much smarter than me said they would be a real pain to turbo or add any other mods that need more fuel.
A guy much much smarter than me said they would be a real pain to turbo or add any other mods that need more fuel.
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Amen to that Portgrinder.....DI and new fuel injection systems are going to be the single biggest challenge to aftermarket performance companies in the future. They are getting more complex by the day and harder to crack reliably...that being said you have to hand it to companies like boondocker and dynojet, and to a lesser extent Dobeck for being able to crack these injection systems, and you know they will be working hard to build controllers for new DI systems. I have heard rumours that Dynojet is very close to coming out with a controller for the 600 etec at this point.
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You can bet DynoJet will have the ETEC figured out pretty soon, they make great products. Their Power Commander V just came out, looks to be really nice. Wouldn't be surprised to see it come out for sleds.
I don't beleive that is the case.
http://www.snowmobile.com/events/worldwide-sled-sales-lowest-in-16-years-1026.html
While 1997 was the most recent spike, it was almost 50% of record sales in the early 1970's when snowmobiling was at it's historic peak.
1971, 495,000
1972, 460,000
1973, 450,000
1974, 435,000
1975, 316,000
1997, 260,000
2008, 163,753
2009, 147,066
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