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White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

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White House appears ready to drop 'public option'


WASHINGTON – Bowing to Republican pressure and an uneasy public, President Barack Obama's administration signaled Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run insurance as part of a new health care system.

Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run plan. Such a concession probably would enrage Obama's liberal supporters but could deliver a much-needed victory on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers.

Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises on proposals they left behind when they returned to their districts for an August recess. Obama had wanted the government to run a health insurance organization to help cover the nation's almost 50 million uninsured, but didn't include it as one of his core principles of reform.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul. The White House would be open to co-ops, she said, a sign that Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory.

Under a proposal by Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., consumer-owned nonprofit cooperatives would sell insurance in competition with private industry, not unlike the way electric and agriculture co-ops operate, especially in rural states such as his own.

With $3 billion to $4 billion in initial support from the government, the co-ops would operate under a national structure with state affiliates, but independent of the government. They would be required to maintain the type of financial reserves that private companies are required to keep in case of unexpectedly high claims.

"I think there will be a competitor to private insurers," Sebelius said. "That's really the essential part, is you don't turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing."

Obama's spokesman refused to say a public option was a make-or-break choice.

"What I am saying is the bottom line for this for the president is, what we have to have is choice and competition in the insurance market," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Sunday.

A day before, Obama appeared to hedge his bets.

"All I'm saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform," Obama said at a town hall meeting in Grand Junction, Colo. "This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it."

It's hardly the same rhetoric Obama employed during a constant, personal campaign for legislation.

"I am pleased by the progress we're making on health care reform and still believe, as I've said before, that one of the best ways to bring down costs, provide more choices and assure quality is a public option that will force the insurance companies to compete and keep them honest," Obama said in July.

Lawmakers have discussed the co-op model for months although the Democratic leadership and the White House have said they prefer a government-run option.

Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, called the argument for a government-run public plan little more than a "wasted effort." He added there are enough votes in the Senate for a cooperative plan.

"It's not government-run and government-controlled," he said. "It's membership-run and membership-controlled. But it does provide a nonprofit competitor for the for-profit insurance companies, and that's why it has appeal on both sides."

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said Obama's team is making a political calculation and embracing the co-op alternative as "a step away from the government takeover of the health care system" that the GOP has pummeled.

"I don't know if it will do everything people want, but we ought to look at it. I think it's a far cry from the original proposals," he said.

Republicans say a public option would have unfair advantages that would drive private insurers out of business. Critics say co-ops would not be genuine public options for health insurance.

Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, said it would be difficult to pass any legislation through the Democratic-controlled Congress without the promised public plan.

"We'll have the same number of people uninsured," she said. "If the insurance companies wanted to insure these people now, they'd be insured."

Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., said the Democrats' option would force individuals from their private plans to a government-run plan as some employers may choose not to provide health insurance.

"Tens of millions of individuals would be moved from their personal, private insurance to the government-run program. We simply don't think that's acceptable," he said.

A shift to a cooperative plan would certainly give some cover to fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats who are hardly cheering for the government-run plan.

"The reality is that it takes 60 percent to get this done in the Senate. It's probably going to have to be bipartisan in the Senate, which I think it should be," said Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., who added that the proposals still need changes before he can support them.

Obama, writing in Sunday's New York Times, said political maneuvers should be excluded from the debate.

"In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain," he wrote. "But for all the scare tactics out there, what's truly scary — truly risky — is the prospect of doing nothing."

Congress' proposals, however, seemed likely to strike end-of-life counseling sessions. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has called the session "death panels," a label that has drawn rebuke from her fellow Republicans as well as Democrats.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, declined to criticize Palin's comments and said Obama wants to create a government-run panel to advise what types of care would be available to citizens.

"In all honesty, I don't want a bunch of nameless, faceless bureaucrats setting health care for my aged citizens in Utah," Hatch said.

Sebelius said the end-of-life proposal was likely to be dropped from the final bill.

"We wanted to make sure doctors were reimbursed for that very important consultation if family members chose to make it, and instead it's been turned into this scare tactic and probably will be off the table," she said.

Sebelius spoke on CNN's "State of the Union" and ABC's "This Week." Gibbs appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation." Conrad and Shelby appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Johnson, Price and Ross spoke with "State of the Union." Hatch was interviewed on "This Week."




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IMO a good first effort to stop this takeover of the health system, but liberals are persistant, and they will be back in the future with another Trojan Horse of a different color.

We can't let our guard down now. No different than constant pressure every year to close riding areas.
 
Don't care, I still don't want it.
This is just the first step, just like everything else the libs have ever done.
They WILL be back for more little bites.

It's not the feds job and I won't stand by and let them do this.
The fed is the reason the costs are so high as it is.
If we got the feds out of the way and let free enterprise take control we wouldn't have this problem

As long as the feds control how many doctors are available, what drugs and at what costs those drugs are available for, the prices will stay high and the libs will continue to attack our liberties.

Bottom line.
It is against the constitution for the feds to run, propose or emplement any part of this plan.
 
doesnt surprize me.all talk,no action.the rich get richer and average peeps will get screwed in the end.nothing new.
 
We also have to have Tort reforms which Obama won't go for. He wants to keep it open for his ambulance chasing buddies like little Johny Edwards.
 
Put me in charge, I'll bring health care costs down in one week. It's easy.

Hospitals can't charge customers for services they didn't receive. Hospitals are not required to take in any patient that can't pay. There, 66% drop in your health care costs.

Yha, we'll have to open community health centers for everyone. But, at least you get what you pay for.
 
Two thoughts

1. Until Congress is willing to dump their own tax-payer-funded health plans for the one they create for us - I'm not interested.

2. Don't forget, with any bill they come up with, the Dems have this nasty habit of sneaking amendments and crappy stuff into the bills at 3 a.m. the morning before they all vote the bill into existence.
 
We also have to have Tort reforms which Obama won't go for. He wants to keep it open for his ambulance chasing buddies like little Johny Edwards.

And the fact they don't have tort reform is a clear indication they arn't really interested in reform, just a power grab.

They need to back off the FDA, get the BS lawsuits undercontrol and put doctors in charge instead of lawyers.

Do all that and you will drop the cost 25% right now.

Allow hospitals to refuse to care for illigals and you will drop it another 25%.

See, we just cut the cost is half.
 
im hoping healthcare jumps to $3000 a month and covers nothing.that might get some change.

Call your insurance company and tell them you're riding bulls in the rodeo. That's exactly what'll happen.

Hell, even if you don't tell them, they'll find out one way or another. :mad:
 
We also have to have Tort reforms which Obama won't go for. He wants to keep it open for his ambulance chasing buddies like little Johny Edwards.

Oh lordy!! I hope karma aint done with that greazy douche-bag Lil Johny Edwards.

It's the height of sleaze when Obama doesnt allow for a massive tort reform effort in all this goverment health care cr%p. Lets face it here guys, the long legged mac daddy is gonna do some damage and we're in for the ride of our lives. I just hope there's something left for us to save.
 
I am listening to Fox this morning.It sound like Bo is willing to drop the public option but he wants to organize a public set up but private run coop to compete against the private insurers. That tells you what he thinks of private enterprise. He hates it and I had always figured that out.. Private enterprise built this country but he wants to tear it down and make it socialist/ communist. It sounds like the liberal democrats won't vote for a plan without a government option so screw them and throw out the whole damn bill. It wasn't that Bo wanted health care for the people, it was that he wanted just another government TAKEOVER. HE HATES PRIVATE ENTERPRISE. IT IS TIME TO START CALLING HIM WHAT HE IS, A COMMUNIST!!
 
It will still be the same $hit, just a in a different package. Let everything calm down and then push it through in a different form.
 
So this is like the flaming paper bag full of manure on the front doorstep trick...we have stomped out the fire but now there is crap everywhere.

Why not just let the medical funding sector work on a cash-in, cash out basis, the same system as any small business has to work with. Budget for projections, only accept paying clients, dont grow beyond your means and only charge for what work is done on a reasonable pay scale (which will work itself out because if doctors charge too much they become less popular with the cash-paying customer and they are forced to charge less to keep their job). their services are no different than our products, they are supply and demand.
 
Call your insurance company and tell them you're riding bulls in the rodeo. That's exactly what'll happen.

Hell, even if you don't tell them, they'll find out one way or another. :mad:
Yup. Had the good ol' basic single healthy male plan once I finished school, thought this isn't so bad. A few months later I get a call from them asking for another "consultation" which I later found out was 21 questions about my job. Long story short, they found out about my colateral duty of firefighting and needed me to verify it, kissed cheap insurance good bye...

Good thing the fiance works at the hospital here, they have a killer family plan for their employees, already checked into it and my insurance is going WAY down when we tie the knot, but till then gotta bend over and take it...
 
Get this.
The dems are planning on stalling with obamacare till late sept. to let things "cool off". They are hoping the media will focus on other things and let them get this done the way they want.
The house has said they will not pass something that doesn't have public option (government takeover). A lot of dems are pizzed at bo for wanting to drop the public option after they caught all kinds of flak over the recess about it.
The whitehouse is saying this whole thing is being blown out of proportion by the press, it's all the presses fault.

Which could be interesting, even liberal press doesn't like have chit tossed on em by the white house.

The dems will try to pass obamacare around the end of sept..

So be prepared. There will be distraction tactics put out by the whitehouse and DNC so they can try to pass it while no one is looking using an underhanded tactic where they don't need 60 votes to pass it.
 
Get this.
The dems are planning on stalling with obamacare till late sept. to let things "cool off". They are hoping the media will focus on other things and let them get this done the way they want.
The house has said they will not pass something that doesn't have public option (government takeover). A lot of dems are pizzed at bo for wanting to drop the public option after they caught all kinds of flak over the recess about it.
The whitehouse is saying this whole thing is being blown out of proportion by the press, it's all the presses fault.

Which could be interesting, even liberal press doesn't like have chit tossed on em by the white house.

The dems will try to pass obamacare around the end of sept..

So be prepared. There will be distraction tactics put out by the whitehouse and DNC so they can try to pass it while no one is looking using an underhanded tactic where they don't need 60 votes to pass it.

If any of this crap about a new Media Czar is true thing will get really interesting. Private radio will be out and public will be al liberal. :confused:
 
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