Which ones performs better the evo are hurricane if there the same power level?I own 2. My 2018 is now a 174" with EROV and Hurricane power upgrades. I'm big (300 dressed), compared to my partners new 850 doo it is heavier. That said, in our group of five my sled is everyones favorite to play on. The power makes the weight much less noticeable and the turbo performance up high where we ride is lightyears ahead of any non-turbo 2 stroke. If you are a small guy it will take more work for you to ride. If you are 200+ then you won't regret it. Turbo two-stroke you need about 10# boost and race fuel to hang with it. I got tired of constantly tuning, tweeking and watching guages on my 2 stroke turbo. I don't regret changing sleds.
All that said, I'm in my fifties and my schedule over the winter precludes me from mountain riding... kinda sucks.
I hate to admit it, but you are right.Yes, I am just guessing but likely very close on my 17 Mtn Cat 153 with a can. Be honest, your few lightweight parts cost thousands didn't they, on top of a sled that cost thousands more and you are still 50-60 lbs heavier? Stock for stock you admit it, 628 vs 520 is over 100 lbs. I have seen Sidewinders on the hook weighing 650+ more than once. I can feel substantial difference between a Cat and a Poo that are less than 30 lbs apart, much less double or triple that... What do you need the power for? Still a highmarker? My nearly stock 800 goes to places I shouldn't be and would leave that silly 174 sidewinder for dead in the trees. Enjoy that tank but please quit lying to people about how the weight doesn't matter, or you can't feel it because, that is simply a lie.
From a quick internet search, an etec 850 motor weighs 92 pounds (42 kg). That is 20-ish pounds lighter than my viper motor. Your riding gear weighs more than that, especially if you ride with a backpack. Next, the following links post actual scale weights of both sleds without fuel which is around 65 to 70 pounds depending on tank size. Fuel roughly weighs 6 pounds per gallon. Doing simple math, that would put your sled within 25-ish pounds of my turbo viper. Your huge gap just got a little smaller.
Weight m8000 and m7000 comparisons
Uncreated my 2015 M8000 and M7000 over the weekend. Had planned to do a M8000 lite weight big bore for my project sled (money pit) this year. After weighing both sleds I'm not so sure. I really liked my 1100t, but the weight got to me enough that I ended up on a 2-stroke last year and the the...www.snowest.com
Are the 2015 fatter than the 2013 Good info on 2013 153 @ 564lbs wet 489 dry no fuel 75lbs of fuel 2014 I have no info other than 18lbs loss on 2013 471lbs dry or 546lbs wet So I see a member weight a 162 2015 at 499lbs no fuel or even little oil In know a 162 weighs 8lbs more than a 153 but...www.snowest.com
Also, yes my viper is an expensive sled. I never acted like it was not. It is purpose built for climbing out of the biggest chutes I can find, not simply high-marking a wide open hill. I have ridden all over the Rockies in utah, idaho, and wyoming and all the way to boulder mountain in revelstoke canada. Chute climbing is what I enjoy, and I wont apologize for that. I tree ride, what you seem to enjoy, on occasion with friends. Jumping from side to side on sidehill reversal cuts and doing re-entries is fun for a while, but it is not what I wake up to ride for. And yes, I do that on my turbo skidoo as my viper is a bit too long for tight spaces. So, my sled choices reflect my riding styles, so does your's. Like I said in my original post, 4 strokes are built for a different type of riding and they rule that arena. If you cannot understand their value, you probably don't do or like that type of riding, which is great. Do what you do.
Finally, to say a winder is not capable of tree riding is not true. The following is one of many. You can find more if you like.
Always great to see a Boosted Sled in capable hands in the trees. Im not that guy, I get around, oh wait. I thought I got around ok until last season riding with a couple forum 2 stroke guys. Long story, but still I just cant bring myself to drop my hard earned cash on any 800 2 stroke. Not that they aren't as fun or more fun than my SW. Im just not that rich. Ride what ya got...Envy everyone else's. Yes... weight matters....So does Power. Which is most important you. Oooops my Bad. Forgot what Thread this was...Guess we all chose POWER. Let It Snow....