Summit X Expert Handling

[jcjc1]

I actually run without a swaybar but I've cranked the springs a bunch. To do it right you should probably have stiffer springs and a revalve. Just using a quick disconnect you are waaay off. Way too soft and if you stiffen up you are the other way going back. Nothing quick or great about that. Swaybar is definitely better on trail but off trail is definitely better if setup right. It is also awesome with less feedback through the bars when on edge. Nothing wrong with or without. Just think the quick disconnect is a joke.

Maybe that’s why the FR comes with the disconnect because it does have a stiffer suspension. I’ve wondered why it’s the only sled that has that.

 

[Reg2view]

The doo dis-connect is a carryover from the XP chassis to get a rider forward trail-designed chassis to roll easier. Early attempt to fix an extremely rigid trail chassis before T-motion and flex edge (thinking about it, don't think the Rev had a quick dis option). There are pros and cons to eliminating borrowed spring rate (an anti-sway stabilizer bar), but as stated, if you want to do it "right", you need more individual spring rate (or air) after pulling the stab bar. Did it back in the Rev days, and while still abit of a compromise, unless you are hammering trails, you can find a good setup for your terrain and riding style. Without a spring rate change, you do get softer tip in, but it's much easier to bottom/break a front shock, and you do need to be more active on the chassis to comp for the loss in pitch control. Pretty sure it was the early M's that started coming without a stab bar and with floats from the factory, calibrated for the missing stab bar. Not a coincidence that was the primary platform for the early wrong-foot-forward technique (alla CB and BR).

 

[caper11]

And here we enter the balance of the sled chat.
Disconnect the sway bar on a doo sled with a lighter muffler on it.
Most that have rode without the sway bar and a lighter muffler probably notice the sled host harder and bottoms out easier on the clutch side.

 

[Teth-Air]

On a sidehill the sway bar wants to throw you downhill. Without it, the hillside shock compresses easier the sled stays rolled into the hill easier.

I think this is why some guys like to disconnect it, or remove it.

 

[NHRoadking]

My last three sleds, two Summits and one Freeride, have had the disconnects.

Tried riding in all conditions with the sway bar disconnected and tried other Summits that were connected back-to-back.

My experience was that overall, I liked the handling with it connected. The Freeride’s stiffer shocks did compensate for the disconnect better than the Summits, but not enough to leave it disconnected.

 

[caper11]

I’m on the fence about the 34” front end. I’m Glad I went with the expert with no tmotion on the G5, till I ride it, time will tell.

 

[NHRoadking]

I’m on the fence about the 34” front end. I’m Glad I went with the expert with no tmotion on the G5, till I ride it, time will tell.

Rode my Freeride with the c-motion and loved it. A little harder to get on edge, but otherwise an improvement over the t-motion. My guess is the narrower front end on the 2023 Experts will make up the difference edge-wise.

 

[christopher]

How is that a compromise? A compromise is great off trail but not on if set up right. That is what i would say.

isn't that the very nature of a COMPROMISE
its NOT GREAT on either end of the spectrum.
The Mountain riders don't LOVE it.
The Trail riders don't LOVE it.
Its neither Fish nor Foul.

 

[DITCHBANGER]

Way too much over thinking in this thread. Can tell season is over.

 

[Clark42]

t motion, z motion, xt motion, c motion..... yawn

 

[NHRoadking]

t motion, z motion, xt motion, c motion..... yawn

Thankfully the 2023 Expert has no-motion!

 

[Teth-Air]

Thankfully the 2023 Expert has no-motion!

More "Polaris-like".

 

[christopher]

Thankfully the 2023 Expert has no-motion!

Just so long as it has FORWARD and REVERSE MOTION!!

 

[caper11]

At the moment, I feel the supply chain, and production line motion is more important.

 

[NHRoadking]

At the moment, I feel the supply chain, and production line motion is more important.

As long as it's full steam ahead to delivering all sleds by the end of this year, I AGREE!

 

[Dworek]

Do anyone have some measurements on the gen5 runningboards? What is the width of the new runningboards?

 

[christopher]

At the moment, I feel the supply chain, and production line motion is more important.

please not a REPEAT of last year

 

[jcjc1]

Do anyone have some measurements on the gen5 runningboards? What is the width of the new runningboards?

don't know the exact width but they're each 1.5" narrower than the gen 4 boards.

 

[Mdillah]

Has anyone confirmed the *same as gen4 shock length for the rear skid, or are they different eye to eye measurements


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[toms]

Both rear track shocks are longer. The rear upper tunnel mount has been moved back to help standardize suspensions between 154,165 and 175. They will now all have the same shock lengths and the rail length will be the key difference between the 3. This will be reflected with a longer length behind the rear tunnel mount for appropriate track length. By moving the mount back, this will also help control ski lift in technical situations.
Without modifications, no G4 rear shocks will work, with exception if you insist on running a current G4 front track, depending on brand (for travel lengths), it would bolt up. This would leave you with excessive ski steer, and less playfulness in the sled.
Front ski will transfer over to G5 from G4. Technically BRP has some very subtle length differences.