Spindle Chat...

[ThePennySaved]

It's my understanding the the new spindle has a new geometry. In the video he specifically states a more aggressive "spindle".

Bret R mentions new geometry in this video.

There is also a video somewhere of Bret R with an Expert on edge on a concrete floor showing how the geometry allows the ski to pivot without resistance on the floor (while on edge). The new rubber alone wouldn't do this on a concrete floor. Why would retool for a new spindle if the rubber did the same thing? Time will tell...

Might have to schlep myself down to the dealer and see if I can compare the two spindles. Lots of conflicting information out there right now

 

[Trashy]

Silly question barcode, but is the video above with or without the bushings? I’m assuming it’s with. Also, is there a second video so we have an A to B comparison?

 

[fugly27]

Perhaps its helpful to know that we've been able to verify, along with a few riders and dealers of ours that DuraPro dampers also fit the 2020 spindles (including the Expert package). As for a change in the geometry of the OEM spindle, if there is one (on the bottom side) it is very, very small.

Yes they do I just installed my new spindles with the durapros that I got last year

 

[Barcode]

The vid is with stock rubbers. Haven't ridden with the DuraPro's yet.

Silly question barcode, but is the video above with or without the bushings? I’m assuming it’s with. Also, is there a second video so we have an A to B comparison?

The vid is with stock rubbers. Haven't ridden with the DuraPro's yet.

 

[Ace Freely]

...Does the new spindle on the Experr offer DIFFERENT geometry than the X model spindle?

Ace

 

[Norona]

...Does the new spindle on the Experr offer DIFFERENT geometry than the X model spindle?

Ace

no just lighter

 

[Ace Freely]

no just lighter

... thank you for the clarification.

Ace

 

[Kieper]

ZRP Spindles as advertised....1.25" rise in height, so everything from the A arms to the running boards are all higher=better...or so I think before test riding. I actually left one stock Expert spindle on to compare with the ZRP spindle. I'm hoping to get a good test ride before changing the other spindle. So far I'm excited about it. If I can I'll repost here with my test results after the ride, but only sun in the forecast in western colorado right now. Thunder Mountain Lodge

 

[giddyup]

installed the new spindles on my freeride, took about 45min i would consider this very easy to do, ski rubbers and new spindles have much less movement of the ski tip upwards comparded to stock,

 

[ebnewbie]

I put Durapro bushings on my '19 Summit X halfway through last winter and was quite happy with the results. Absolutely worth the $100 or so. I also spent about 20 minutes on a demo '20 Expert in March and it felt pretty similar to my sled but it was an admittedly short ride.

That said, I am planning on buying and trying the "Expert" spindles this year and putting those Durapro's on my girlfriend's sled. Can't help but tinker ...

Also of note: I recently read on ZRP's facebook page that the "Expert" spindles are actually an existing Ski-doo trail sled spindle and supposedly 1/2" shorter than the Summit spindle. That was the first I had heard of the height different and I haven't been able to confirm it anywhere else. For what it's worth, ZRP said that on their post promoting their new 1.25" riser spindles - can anyone else confirm the height difference between Summit and Expert spindles?

I have a summit and bought the expert spindels.
haven't had a chance to compare them, but I was told they are suppose to be taller. I will try and measure them tommorw.

 

[fugly27]

Spindles are different. The black ones are the new expert spindle.

 

[Ace Freely]

Spindles are different. The black ones are the new expert spindle.

... I'm 100% confused AF...

Norona says the only difference is lighter, no geometry changes, yet the pictures show something different...

...has anyone didi a side by side comparison of a stock spindle, an expert spindle, and a ZRP spindle?

Ace

 

[cacsrx1]

... I'm 100% confused AF...

Norona says the only difference is lighter, no geometry changes, yet the pictures show something different...

...has anyone didi a side by side comparison of a stock spindle, an expert spindle, and a ZRP spindle?

Ace

100% confused AF x 2

 

[Trashy]

It would seem as tho Dave might have been misinformed

I would also wager that he will find out the correct information and report back. Probably on the phone with the BRP product specialists right now....

 

[ThePennySaved]

Spindles are different. The black ones are the new expert spindle.

Thanks for posting the pictures @fugly27. Keep in mind those are "upside down" but it appears to me that the Expert spindles are probably pretty damn similar to the standard-height ZRP spindles. That is, ZRP "pulled the ski bolt back 10mm (3/8") to put it perfectly inline with upper and lower a-arms."

I'm not a suspension expert but that would decrease caster which in turn decreases required steering effort. Perhaps that's part of what supposedly makes it track better through rutted slopes; when that feedback is transmitted from the skis up to the bars it requires less effort to correct?

The downside of less caster is that you might lose a little straight-line, high-speed trail stability, but these are mountain sleds not trail sleds.

 

[caper11]

Spindles are different. The black ones are the new expert spindle.

It does not look like you are holding the spindle correctly. The a arm holes look like they will line up when held correctly.

I don’t ever recall doo saying they had a different geometry, even when I talked to a ambassador at the sled show about them a month ago.
The prototypes may of had a different geometry, but doo is allowed and known to make changes.

The problem with the washout was the bushing in the ski.



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[ThePennySaved]

It does not look like you are holding the spindle correctly. The a arm holes look like they will line up when held correctly.

@fugly27, will you take pictures of the Summit and Expert spindles with the a-arm holes lined up so we can see the relative position of the ski holes? Assuming you didn't finish the job and put the new spindle on the sled already ...

Or @ebnewbie, can you do that before you install?

 

[Type Z]

confused af x 3 ..saw a guy over here utting them side by side on facebook and they were the same!

 

[fugly27]

Hey all I know is when I look at the spindles they are definately different sorry that confuses everyone.

 

[caper11]

Hey all I know is when I look at the spindles they are definately different sorry that confuses everyone.

They have to be physically different, they are lighter. The question is on the geometry, I do not think that a ambassador would post wrong info on a product.
To me it looks like all of the mounting points line up when held correctly.

Your using the flat of the top ball joint mount to do the comparison, the ball joint pivots, what i’m interested in is the angle of the centerline of the mounting points.

Install one and see if the new spindle will push the ski more forward than the old spindle, im also wondering what MTN sled had a raw looking spindle anyway? 2017??? The 2019 spindle is different yet.