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26 degree results in a a much quicker break in and much less stress on the top-cog portion of the belt especially during break in. I have been running a Gates R belt as of late and do not have any complaints, belt grip is good, no detectable slip, consistent RPM's and the best part of all is my sheaves aren't brown with gooey compounds being released from a hot belt after a smokin' fast 7 mile bump run down to the truck on a 60 degree afternoon.
So does the shorter break-in have anything to do with the compound? I've been very happy with the C12 belts – except for the break-in part, and that's on older sleds with a matching side angle. To properly follow the recommended procedure takes up most of a morning of riding. I've got lucky now and then with enough snow to break one in near where I live, but then I've found having only one correct, broke-in belt means something bad happens to it (my fault, not the belt). So it's hard to predict when you'll need to break one in, and even after a couple full days of riding, the belt still doesn't look fully bedded in.
I thought about trying the 47R belt a couple months ago, but it's much harder to find (talking about the standard 28º), and I figured there'd be little benefit over the C12. But if I get caught out again (though I think I've learned my lesson), I might try the 47R. That said, I had a similar experience to AdrenalineAddict on my last ride: was warm all day, hard to keep the sled cool at times, then finished off the day with a blast back to the truck (fortunately, the snow was more slushy lower down). Other than a small ring at the base of the primary, the sheaves are bright and clean. I also follow something TRS recommended a while back: I grind the side of the top cogs flat (perpandicular to the top of the belt). Seems to result in less build-up during break-in, and probably keeps the belt cooler.
I went for a burn this morning, approximately 200 miles on the R belt and swapped belts about midway through the day just for comparison sake, I was seeing approximately 50 more RPM's with the R belt over the 216 in long belt heating pulls, the ambient air temp was probably 50 degrees. I'm guessing in the cold dead of winter we'll see nearly identical running RPM's, but I feel the R belt will shine and fade less when clutch temps climb. At this point in time I for one am feeling real good about this product, no more sheave cleaning when I get home makes me a happy sledder. Im curious what TRS's experience with the belt has been, he probably has more hours on these belts than most.
The 47R with the 26* is running more rpm than the standard 47R.
I believe it relates to the standard belt narrowing during breakin. That allows for a little wider belt to sheave measurement which loads the engine.
I put another 55 miles on the R belt again this morning, nothing but smiles at this point. It performed flawlessly, 8350 on the 7,800' trail ride, mid mountain 8,100, and 7950 to 8000 all the way to 11,000', no slip, solid backshift. If it is as durable as advertised it could be that Gates actually built a better mousetrap.