M1100 turbo

[STACKS]

Does anyone know what turbo the M1100 is going to come with?

 

[high time]

Just what the Cat web site says.

What are you wondering about.

Owen

 

[powdersnobb]

1100 cc boosted motor, alum. tunnel, seat, track, skid, shocks (front and rear), a arms, extra weight, bars, throttle, etc.. Similar to what other sleds come with. Oh yeah, cool colors.

 

[supraturbo]

Does anyone know what turbo the M1100 is going to come with?

It is an IHI .....very good turbo

 

[Turbo11T]

Any Idea what model of the IHI turbo they are using. I am interested to see the specs on the turbo they are using.

Here is a page that has the specs on the IHI turbos

http://www.turbointernational.com/images/catalog-pdf/Catalog-IHI.pdf

 

[YETIms]

OEM made for suzuki, not available for 3rd part sellers.

Any Idea what model of the IHI turbo they are using. I am interested to see the specs on the turbo they are using.

Here is a page that has the specs on the IHI turbos

http://www.turbointernational.com/images/catalog-pdf/Catalog-IHI.pdf

 

[Turbo11T]

OEM made for suzuki, not available for 3rd part sellers.

I have to say that I have seen alot of your posts on the 1100turbo and your very negative. IHI does not sell parts for their turbos. I know this but I would bet that they have another turbo that is bigger than the one on the 1100 now. And I know that different wheels can be made to work in the turbo. Say maybe a hybrid. Larger Compressor wheel. And possibly a lager turbine wheel. The housings would need to be modified but it can be done.

Now Quit being so negative. I just read the post about where your complaining about the small turbo making so much heat at 10000ft. If you don't think that cat sized the turbo right to make 177 hp at 10000 ft your crazy. The only thing I think they should have done that they didn't and will be a easy add was put a fan on the intercooler, to keep the air moving through it at slow speeds.

 

[YETIms]

posts are negative? i didnt know that we have a "feelings forum here"

i wrote my answers to your postings below, feel free to read it. "without feelings"

I have to say that I have seen alot of your posts on the 1100turbo and your very negative.
Oh yes i am!
IHI does not sell parts for their turbos.
They do.
I know this but I would bet that they have another turbo that is bigger than the one on the 1100 now.
well as we can see you don't know it, and yes IHI has over 2k different turbo models, so one of those will fit, and that move us to next qestion turbo lag, air volume, heat, ....)


And I know that different wheels can be made to work in the turbo.
No , you don't know. you saw the turbo on 11t?
Say maybe a hybrid.
maybe
Larger Compressor wheel.
not on OEM turbo but on a aftermarket
And possibly a lager turbine wheel.
possible
The housings would need to be modified but it can be done.
on OEM? no it can't

Now Quit being so negative. I just read the post about where your complaining about the small turbo making so much heat at 10000ft.
thank you for reading postings
If you don't think that cat sized the turbo right to make 177 hp at 10000 ft your crazy.
well that shouw us that your tech knowledge is limited, nothing against you, but i can understand if you can't understand it
The only thing I think they should have done that they didn't and will be a easy add was put a fan on the intercooler,
i understand that math is not your area. Thermodynamics is the magic word. I think it would take to much time to explain you engine Thermodynamics.
to keep the air moving through it at slow speeds.
there is a reason why after 3 years of developmend AC did not mount a fan on intercooler.

 

[Turbo11T]

Haha, It is not a feelings thing. You haven't hurt my feelings I think it is just not productive to be negative. If you don't like what cat gave us, fine don't post.

Thats all I am saying.

What cat did is gave us a 1100cc turbocharged motor with a turbo sized for instant spool up. It they felt they could have gone with a little larger turbo without sacrificing lag time and had bigger hp numbers they would have. They built a sled that is very worthy IMHO. They are claiming 177 hp at elevation. I would say that is a pretty good claim. Even if it hits 177 hp and then drops off to 170 hp on a long pull it is still 45 hp more at 10000 ft than any of the stock 2 strokes. 45 hp and 100 lbs heavier that is pretty good power to weight for the extra weight of the sled. Cat just opened the door for ski doo, yamaha, and polaris to step up to the boosted 4 stroke section and I am very excited to ride my stock m1100turbo(I haven't ridden a stock sled in years) and even more excited to see what polaris, doo and yammy bring out for 2013.

 

[backcountryislife]

Haha, It is not a feelings thing. You haven't hurt my feelings I think it is just not productive to be negative. If you don't like what cat gave us, fine don't post.

bah.... we've all got the right to our opinions, and this IS all about mods in general in this forum, so by definition, we're all talking about how we don't "like" what cat gave us & we want more. Personally, I'd rather have instant boost, quick spool than another 15 hp. Bottom end & smooth power is where it's at for me.

 

[YETIms]

i know reallity mostly hurts, and we do not talk about AC sleds we talk about technology and realistic HP rating.

Haha, It is not a feelings thing. You haven't hurt my feelings I think it is just not productive to be negative. If you don't like what cat gave us, fine don't post.

who told you that i do not like what cat give us? i just know that sled for bit longer then most of the people here.

Thats all I am saying.
no problem

What cat did is gave us a 1100cc turbocharged motor with a turbo sized for instant spool up.
not really instant but very quick spool.
It they felt they could have gone with a little larger turbo without sacrificing lag time and had bigger hp numbers they would have.
bigger turbo will not hit the EPPA regulation, also some parts are note made for bigger power. i own few of those sleds you are talking about, and i know very good where the limits are.

They built a sled that is very worthy IMHO. They are claiming 177 hp at elevation. I would say that is a pretty good claim.
Marketing HP are far away from real world hp. some people here claim 300hp, it is a free world and you can claim what ever you want.

I claim 600hp and 200mi/gal.

Even if it hits 177 hp and then drops off to 170 hp on a long pull it is still 45 hp more at 10000 ft than any of the stock 2 strokes.
4 stroke is not 2 stroke, different world, different technology.

45 hp and 100 lbs heavier that is pretty good power to weight for the extra weight of the sled.
we are not talking here about the sled it self, we talk about performance and mods.

Cat just opened the door for ski doo, yamaha, and polaris to step up to the boosted 4 stroke section and I am very excited to ride my stock m1100turbo(I haven't ridden a stock sled in years) and even more excited to see what polaris, doo and yammy bring out for 2013.
that is a different topic and do not really fits here.

 

[Turbo11T]

i know reallity mostly hurts, and we do not talk about AC sleds we talk about technology and realistic HP rating.

Well I am not even sure what we are talking about anymore. A lot will be just speculation until the sleds arrive in the fall.

I guess a couple questions? I don't know these and they intrigue me. If anyone has hardcore postive answers to these please post. I know there is alot of info on the z1turbo so it may relate?

1. Is 13lbs of boost at 177hp at sea level or 10000 ft? Maybe it is 9lbs of boost at sea level? Or is it 13lbs at sea level?

2. The Nytro is suppose to make 230-240 hp or so at 13-14lbs of boost according to mcx on their dyno. I realize that they are two very different motors so I think we can subtract 30 hp for that difference. Is 177 hp an unrealistic number at the given boost?

3. With some very light massaging(high flow downpipe and high flow low backpressure muff) that the hp numbers would not be able to increase greatly 10-15hp at the same boost level?

 

[YETIms]

i can answer you few questions.

Well I am not even sure what we are talking about anymore. A lot will be just speculation until the sleds arrive in the fall.

I guess a couple questions? I don't know these and they intrigue me. If anyone has hardcore postive answers to these please post. I know there is alot of info on the z1turbo so it may relate?

1. Is 13lbs of boost at 177hp at sea level or 10000 ft? Maybe it is 9lbs of boost at sea level? Or is it 13lbs at sea level?
Sealevel


2. The Nytro is suppose to make 230-240 hp or so at 13-14lbs of boost according to mcx on their dyno. I realize that they are two very different motors so I think we can subtract 30 hp for that difference. Is 177 hp an unrealistic number at the given boost?

The motors are very different, you can not compare them. Nytro was never made to run with turbo, AC engine was born long time ago with turbo charger on it.


3. With some very light massaging(high flow downpipe and high flow low backpressure muff) that the hp numbers would not be able to increase greatly 10-15hp at the same boost level?

NO. that is a 4 stroke, not a 2 stroke.
on 4 stroke you have much more elements that need to work together to produce extra HP.

 

[Turbo11T]

i can answer you few questions.




NO. that is a 4 stroke, not a 2 stroke.
on 4 stroke you have much more elements that need to work together to produce extra HP.

I did some looking around to try to find a dyno chart from a z1 turbo stock. To see what the boost level is at. I realize the z1 and the 1100 turbo may not be the same but I know back in 08 cat was claiming 9lbs of boost stock. So with the math up to 10000ft that would be able 13lbs at 10000 ft.

Would you agree with that? Do you happen to have access to any dyno charts from a bone stock z1 turbo that show the boost level?

I am bored so I am just trying to learn.

Thanks

 

[YETIms]

there are already charts posted on snowest for z1.

for m11t i am not sure if people/companies that already have the pre-production units are able to do that (contract stuff)

I did some looking around to try to find a dyno chart from a z1 turbo stock. To see what the boost level is at. I realize the z1 and the 1100 turbo may not be the same but I know back in 08 cat was claiming 9lbs of boost stock. So with the math up to 10000ft that would be able 13lbs at 10000 ft.

Would you agree with that? Do you happen to have access to any dyno charts from a bone stock z1 turbo that show the boost level?

I am bored so I am just trying to learn.

Thanks

 

[Turbo11T]

there are already charts posted on snowest for z1.

for m11t i am not sure if people/companies that already have the pre-production units are able to do that (contract stuff)

Sounds good so the 2012 1100 turbo is making aprox 13lbs of boost at or near sea level.

What do you think it would need to push the hp to just over 200 hp and sustain it even at 10000ft?

 

[MTdream]

Sounds good so the 2012 1100 turbo is making aprox 13lbs of boost at or near sea level.

What do you think it would need to push the hp to just over 200 hp and sustain it even at 10000ft?

Our biggest enemy is heat, so we have to solve the air heating up... So larger or more efficient intercooler... And or allow the hot air to not build up...

Which is one reason I will be doing Skinz mesh hood, and additional venting things...

Looking forward to solving these issues...

 

[Boyko]

Sounds good so the 2012 1100 turbo is making aprox 13lbs of boost at or near sea level.

What do you think it would need to push the hp to just over 200 hp and sustain it even at 10000ft?

20 psi is my guess............. if the heat don't get out of hand, but you could probally strap a muff pot or hot dogger to it

how big is the inducer and exducer on the 1100 turbo, you can compare it to brand X and get a compressor map that is close.

 

[KMMAC]

Turbo

Any one know Glen Hall? He's tied to D&D this guy has been working with this motor pretty much from it's introduction.. Knows how to make them run.......

 

[high time]

Yes, He's great. He will get 'er done.

Owen