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HR 2411 Reduce America's Debt Now Act of 2011 WTF!!

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Congress Wants Automatic Wage Deductions To Pay Down The Debt

July 14, 2011 by Simon Black

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H.R. 2411 stipulates that any contribution made to the Treasury in order to pay down the federal debt is not tax deductible.​

Folks… you just can’t make this stuff up.
On July 6, at least a dozen busybody Congressmen sponsored the introduction of H.R. 2411, the Reduce America’s Debt Now Act of 2011. They always come up with fantastic names for these pieces of legislation… and rest assured, the better/more patriotic the name, the more ominous the bill. This one follows the pattern.
H.R. 2411 states that every worker in America should be able to voluntarily have a portion of his or her wages automatically withheld and sent directly to the Treasury Department for the purposes of paying down the Federal debt.
“Every employer making payment of wages shall deduct and withhold upon such wages any amounts so elected, and shall pay such amounts over to the Secretary of the Treasury…”
That’s right. Uncle Sam is so broke that he wants to give all the good little Americans out there the opportunity to contribute an even greater portion of their paychecks to finance government largess.
Desperate? Hmmm… Don’t worry, it gets better.
Obviously, if an employee feels so compelled and should elect to have a portion of his or her paycheck withheld, the onus of responsibility is now on the employer to make it happen. The employer has to do all the paperwork, withhold the money, send the payment to the Treasury, maintain the account records and probably submit to all kinds of new filing requirements.
You can imagine that, if passed, the bill will result in a host of new Internal Revenue Service regulations, complete with a battery of penalties for employers who don’t fill out the paperwork properly or submit filings on time or who make some administrative mistake.
Think about it: If a small business owner has one single employee who is dumb enough to think it’s his patriotic duty to pay down the debt and decides to contribute $1 per month, that owner will have the responsibility for all kinds of new forms and filings, plus submit to new “debt reduction audits.”
But don’t worry, it gets even better.
So let’s say there are millions of sheep out there who elect to donate a portion of their toil and sweat so that the Chinese and big financial institutions don’t have to worry about an American default. How does Congress plan on rewarding its most patriotic citizens? By sticking it to them on their taxes, of course.
H.R. 2411 stipulates that any contribution made to the Treasury in order to pay down the Federal debt is not tax deductible.
“The (Treasury) Secretary shall include. . . a reasonably conspicuous statement that any amounts deducted and withheld from wages. . . are not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax purposes.”
Imagine this scenario: You make $100,000 per year. In a fit of complete insanity, you decide that you want to withhold your entire annual salary to pay down the debt. Hey, you can always move in with Mom for the next year, right?
Well, guess what? Uncle Sam will gladly take your money… and then still expect you to pay taxes on the $100,000 you earned, so you would have to come out of pocket with an additional $40,000 or so.
Don’t worry, though. The Social Security and Medicare wages are reduced by the amount that you withhold, making you liable for only State and Federal taxes. Seems like a good deal, eh, comrades?
There are so many things utterly wrong with his piece of legislation, it’s hard to know where to begin other than by saying that such intellectual and philosophical perversion is only capable of springing from unprincipled sociopaths whose sole capability is the destruction of value.
There’s a great quote from Atlas Shrugged that comes to mind which sums this all up:
(W)hen you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing; when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in goods, but in favors; when you see that men get rich more easily by graft than by work, and your laws no longer protect you against them, but protect them against you. . . you may know that your society is doomed.
According to legend, a frog, when put into a pot of water and slowly brought to a boil, doesn’t realize it’s in danger until it’s too late. I think the boiling frog just got a little hotter. Have you hit your breaking point yet?








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I thought the 2010 GOP freshman class was our salvation?

Posted July 8th, 2011 at 4:54 PM by Jon Ham Twelve Republicans have joined in sponsoring the “Reduce America’s Debt Now Act of 2011.” It provides for payroll deduction for any amount a citizen wishes to pay toward lowering our national debt.
On the surface it’s a seemingly needless bill, considering that any American right now, without this legislation, can send a check to the government. But the details of the bill, sponsored by Rick Crawford of Arkansas, show that this is also a really, really, bad bill in many ways.
I’ll let Simon Black of the Sovereign Man blog give you the lowdown. After reading what he reveals, you have to wonder, “What in the world were these Republicans thinking?”:
f an employee feels so compelled and should elect to have a portion of his/her paycheck withheld, the onus of responsibility is now on the employer to make it happen. The employer has to do all the paperwork, withhold the money, send the payment to the Treasury, maintain the account records, and probably submit to all kinds of new filing requirements.
It gets worse (emphasis in the original):
So let’s say there are millions of sheep out there who elect to donate a portion of their toil and sweat so that the Chinese and big financial institutions don’t have to worry about an American default. How does Congress plan on rewarding its most patriotic citizens? By sticking it to them on their taxes, of course.
HR 2411 stipulates that any contribution made to the Treasury in order to pay down the federal debt IS NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE.
For the record, here are the co-sponsors who jumped on to Crawford’s bill:
Rep Denham, Jeff [CA-19]
Rep Dold, Robert J. [IL-10]
Rep Fincher, Stephen Lee [TN-8]
Rep Flores, Bill [TX-17]
Rep Griffin, Tim [AR-2]
Rep Guinta, Frank C. [NH-1]
Rep Huizenga, Bill [MI-2]
Rep Landry, Jeffrey M. [LA-3]
Rep Palazzo, Steven M. [MS-4]
Rep Scott, Austin [GA-8]
Rep Tiberi, Patrick J. [OH-12]
All but one of these is a freshman (Tiberi is in his sixth term). If conservatives are waiting for the 2010 freshman class to help fight the growing nanny state and cut spending in favor of raising revenue, we may be i
 

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Wouldn't deducting money paid to pay down the debt from your taxes, reducing your tax burden, be contradictory to the who point of paying down the debt in the first place?

I guess if you wanted to support debt repayment, but not support where taxes go, you might have a point. But reducing the income of the govt, by reducing your taxes, doesn't really help the govt pay off the debt, does it?
 
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Well, guess what? Uncle Sam will gladly take your money… and then still expect you to pay taxes on the $100,000 you earned, so you would have to come out of pocket with an additional $40,000 or so.


This can ALL be done without congress scuttling millions on this bill. Write the the Check and send it!........Oh wait,if you did it now you can take a deduction.
 

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This can ALL be done without congress scuttling millions on this bill. Write the the Check and send it!........Oh wait,if you did it now you can take a deduction.
Agreed, the biggest travesty of this bill is the waste of time...
 

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maybe all the do gooders will that think its there obligation to pay for the freloaders will pay the tab for us. I will not be send any $$$

I could see them twisting this to make it a mandatory contribution way to easy that is how way to many things get done! they start like this and end up like property taxes.
 
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