Has anyone had a Tmotion failure due to the aftermarket "lock out" spacers / bushings?

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After riding 6 years on the XM/G4 chassis, I decided I wanted to try a lock out kit this year and see how I like it. I have noticed several of the aftermarket company's websites have a disclaimer of "they are no responsible for the added stress on the other skid components due to their lockout kit." Is there a history of problems? I'm not willing to sacrifice the structural integrity of anything in the skid to try this out.
 

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Sound like more junk put out by aftermarket companies to me. I have been riding for a long time and I see it time and time again aftermarket companies putting out substandard products. Even worse some will tell you it’s the best thing since sliced bread knowing it has problems or flat out doesn’t work just to make a buck. Then you get some riders out there that don’t want to admit they just spent all that money for something that doesn’t work. Then they tell you it works great. Sorry for the rant but this kind of stuff makes me mad.
 

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J-Dog is on it, lots of stuff for sale out there looking for a problem. And look at some of the idiot ski designs, non-functioning bumpers/grab handles, junk a-arms, bags, cable scratchers, running board mods, etc., over the years just trying to separate you from your money. Mountain sledders love mods, but stock sleds are so capable now that learning how to ride them better should come before 90% of most mods.
 

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Imo there is nothing wrong with the lockout. Its the stock part that cannot take it.
Ive seen those rear arms break without them being locked out.
 

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If this is true we will refund your purchase. No one has reported an issue back to us and we have sold over 1,000 sets of them, but we are always open to feedback.
Im wondering, Is ZRP willing to make a non offset rear pivot as a option?
I loved my lockout but the product I used (not yours)was too stiff for the rear pivot.

Skinz is to pricey and Im looking for a lockout kit to bridge the gap. Im unsure is the offset will work properly with my aftermarket shock calibration so Id prefer a beefier stock geometry ZRP pivot.
 

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Im wondering, Is ZRP willing to make a non offset rear pivot as a option?
I loved my lockout but the product I used (not yours)was too stiff for the rear pivot.

Skinz is to pricey and Im looking for a lockout kit to bridge the gap. Im unsure is the offset will work properly with my aftermarket shock calibration so Id prefer a beefier stock geometry ZRP pivot.
Short answer is maybe. Part of the problem is the whole suspension is designed to flex, not just at the t-motion piviot.
But it is something we would like to do
 
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If this is true we will refund your purchase. No one has reported an issue back to us and we have sold over 1,000 sets of them, but we are always open to feedback.
Really appreciate this but I just got the Zmotion to install with the lockout.

I already had a Munster rail brace so didn't buy the brace but I see that if I put the bolt back 3/4" it will land almost on the edge of the first window in the rails...do I have to drill trough the brace and use a longer bolt ? Do you have experienced this with a 175 ? If you have a longer bolt in your brace/zmotion I would be willing to buy one.
 

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Really appreciate this but I just got the Zmotion to install with the lockout.

I already had a Munster rail brace so didn't buy the brace but I see that if I put the bolt back 3/4" it will land almost on the edge of the first window in the rails...do I have to drill trough the brace and use a longer bolt ? Do you have experienced this with a 175 ? If you have a longer bolt in your brace/zmotion I would be willing to buy one.
Yeah our rail brace is purpose built to work with our zmotion and the stock bolt. It's hard to impossible to find 16" long bolts unfortunately. We sell the Gen 4 as a kit with the brace and that is how we recommend to use the zmotion on the Gen 4
 

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Short answer is maybe. Part of the problem is the whole suspension is designed to flex, not just at the t-motion piviot.
But it is something we would like to do
Yep it is all designed to flex, but I really liked my sled better with the rear locked out. Can you possibly make one for me? Thats a direct stock pivot replacement, In black please??

Even the stock piece with the tmotion in, has broken in the past.

Ive been looking at your product for years but I do not want the offset, just because of the shocks I run.

It will also help the guys who run different rail brace as well.




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I broke my Munster equipped Freeride last year after about 600? miles. I spent a lot of time on the lake last year screwing around, seeing how many miles I could ride on one ski, it must have put a lot of side load on the bracket. I bought Z-Broz fro my sleds this year. In the past I tried Skinz and ZRP, the Skinz wore out in one ride, the ZRP wore out much slower.
 
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