Exit shocks
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They should not be that soft. I definitely cannot bottom them out in the garage putting the sled on it's side. I suggest calling Zbroz, they have good help.
Can you post up some pics?
Here are the setup instructions from Z-Broz... Did you follow these to the letter?
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Here are the setup instructions from Z-Broz... Did you follow these to the letter?
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Does your shock look exactly like the one shown in this photo?
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If they are as soft as you describe, it sounds to me like they either installed the wrong spring combination or left a coupling spacer out of the stack. Allowing the soft initial spring rate to have an effect for far too long. The vavling will have little to no effect at garage ride speeds.
But yes the more information you give us up front the more helpful we can be.
But yes the more information you give us up front the more helpful we can be.
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rubbersidedown
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I just installed my x1's on my 2014 assault and I am seeing the same thing. They are set at the factory preload (5th ring). I called zbroz and they told me to take it out and ride it first, then call them back. I guess I will do that, but so far these appear to be way to soft. Standing on one side of the sled i can collapse the shock almost completely to the foam stopper. I will see if I can post some pictures.
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rubbersidedown
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Here are a few pictures of the sled. My plan is to increase the nitrogen in the shocks and move the preload setting down 1 or 2 more. If that doesn't work I will probably end up sending these back to zbroz and have them install stiffer springs and check the internal components of the shocks. I really just don't see this working as it is.
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rubbersidedown
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Let me try this again...
After looking at the photo's there is nothing obvious missing, So my next best guess is a defect in the spring manufacturing process, IE; they did not get heat treated / or correctly, not spring steel, or some step or other unknown.
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Zbroz Racing
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Exit shock set up
Glad everyone is chiming in helping out here but I think its still a simple case of misunderstanding how we set up the shocks. First please don't add any nitrogen to the Reseviour or air for that matter. This will do nothing for what you are talking about. Follow the set up instructions.
Triple rate springs combos are very different than your stock spring, we use a combination of springs to give the shock a tunable progressive spring combination. We send them to you at there softest spring setting or nearly as soft as they will go. I couldn't tell from the photo but it looks like you have taken your sway bar off? This is just fine but realize you need to add spring pre load to compensate for the sway bar being gone. If it is still there you will still need to add some pre load. The biggest misconception with a shock that feels soft in the shop is that it will be too soft on the trail. This may be true with some single rated shocks or shocks that don't use a valving system like we do. The problem with (shop tuning) is that it doesn't take into account the progressive nature of the springs and more obvious in the photo the low and high speed valving. Our shocks have a high flow piston with a velocity sensitive valving stack. When your swaying in the shop the shock is maybe moving a few inches per second. When on the trail or at speed your shock will move at excess of 30-40 inches per second. This engages a whole different set of valving which will increase resistance exponentially. The beauty of this system is the plushness in stutter bumps but valving that will catch you in a large bump.
Also the spring pre load is about 3-4 times as sensitive when compared to a single spring. For example 1/4" with our spring combo is like 3/4" on a single spring. The reason this is possible is the triple rate combo with fixed crossover points. When pre load is added it will create more initial rate as well as force the crossover points sooner and increasing bottoming resistance substantially.
Check out the basic set up instructions here and call me after you make some adjustments and let me know how it works on snow.
Regards
Exit shock basic set up and tuning instructions for snowmobile ski shocks
1. You have purchased a custom built shock based on the information you provided. We have set the shock up based on this information but there are still some adjustments that will need to be made on the snow based on your preferences.
2. Zbroz Racing / Exit brand of ski shocks come with either dual or triple rate spring combinations. These combinations are much more sensitive to spring pre load adjustment. Spring pre-load is determined by measuring the total spring package length with no weight on the machine or with the shock fully extended. (Factory settings vary but are roughly 1 or 2 clip positions) Do not worry about how many clip positions are visible above the top spring this does not matter. Simply know that when you get your shocks they will have 1-2 clips of preload already. This is by design so you can add spring preload as needed.
3. Do not shop tune. Our internal shock Valving is velocity sensitive and the springs are progressive in nature due to the dual or triple rate combinations. This allows the shock to begin soft but ramp up on both damping and spring rate depending on shaft speed and shaft position.
4. To Change Spring pre load. Take the weight off the sled with a jack, or by rolling the sled to one side while on the snow. This allows the shock to be at full extension, and will make it easier to adjust. Pull down on the top tender spring hardware, and it will reveal a C clip that can be moved down to add spring pre load. Remember 1 or 2 clip positions at a time would be a recommended adjustment. Each clip position adds .100” of pre-load. Your spring package will then be compressed that much more forcing earlier cross over points and more bottoming resistance. 1or2 clips will be noticeable on snow.
5. Your first adjustment should always be spring pre load even if you have a compression knob or clicker (Found on X1 and X2 Exit models) 1 or 2 clip positions will make a big difference in how the shock performs. Once you find that desired spring pre load setting, you can now fine tune for trail conditions with the compression clicker knob.
6. To adjust your compression clicker knob, simply twist clockwise to increase dampening or counter clockwise to decrease dampening. There is 24 Clicks of adjustment. Factory setting of this adjuster is 18 clicks from fully closed. If you loose track of where you are, close the knob completely (clockwise) and count the clicks out to 18 again.
7. Finding a good typical bump section is the best place to tune. Remember adjust spring preload first then if you have a compression clicker knob fine tune from there.
For further information please feel free to call 435 753 7774.
Glad everyone is chiming in helping out here but I think its still a simple case of misunderstanding how we set up the shocks. First please don't add any nitrogen to the Reseviour or air for that matter. This will do nothing for what you are talking about. Follow the set up instructions. Triple rate springs combos are very different than your stock spring, we use a combination of springs to give the shock a tunable progressive spring combination. We send them to you at there softest spring setting or nearly as soft as they will go. I couldn't tell from the photo but it looks like you have taken your sway bar off? This is just fine but realize you need to add spring pre load to compensate for the sway bar being gone. If it is still there you will still need to add some pre load. The biggest misconception with a shock that feels soft in the shop is that it will be too soft on the trail. This may be true with some single rated shocks or shocks that don't use a valving system like we do. The problem with (shop tuning) is that it doesn't take into account the progressive nature of the springs and more obvious in the photo the low and high speed valving. Our shocks have a high flow piston with a velocity sensitive valving stack. When your swaying in the shop the shock is maybe moving a few inches per second. When on the trail or at speed your shock will move at excess of 30-40 inches per second. This engages a whole different set of valving which will increase resistance exponentially. The beauty of this system is the plushness in stutter bumps but valving that will catch you in a large bump.
Also the spring pre load is about 3-4 times as sensitive when compared to a single spring. For example 1/4" with our spring combo is like 3/4" on a single spring. The reason this is possible is the triple rate combo with fixed crossover points. When pre load is added it will create more initial rate as well as force the crossover points sooner and increasing bottoming resistance substantially.
Check out the basic set up instructions here and call me after you make some adjustments and let me know how it works on snow.
Regards
Exit shock basic set up and tuning instructions for snowmobile ski shocks
1. You have purchased a custom built shock based on the information you provided. We have set the shock up based on this information but there are still some adjustments that will need to be made on the snow based on your preferences.
2. Zbroz Racing / Exit brand of ski shocks come with either dual or triple rate spring combinations. These combinations are much more sensitive to spring pre load adjustment. Spring pre-load is determined by measuring the total spring package length with no weight on the machine or with the shock fully extended. (Factory settings vary but are roughly 1 or 2 clip positions) Do not worry about how many clip positions are visible above the top spring this does not matter. Simply know that when you get your shocks they will have 1-2 clips of preload already. This is by design so you can add spring preload as needed.
3. Do not shop tune. Our internal shock Valving is velocity sensitive and the springs are progressive in nature due to the dual or triple rate combinations. This allows the shock to begin soft but ramp up on both damping and spring rate depending on shaft speed and shaft position.
4. To Change Spring pre load. Take the weight off the sled with a jack, or by rolling the sled to one side while on the snow. This allows the shock to be at full extension, and will make it easier to adjust. Pull down on the top tender spring hardware, and it will reveal a C clip that can be moved down to add spring pre load. Remember 1 or 2 clip positions at a time would be a recommended adjustment. Each clip position adds .100” of pre-load. Your spring package will then be compressed that much more forcing earlier cross over points and more bottoming resistance. 1or2 clips will be noticeable on snow.
5. Your first adjustment should always be spring pre load even if you have a compression knob or clicker (Found on X1 and X2 Exit models) 1 or 2 clip positions will make a big difference in how the shock performs. Once you find that desired spring pre load setting, you can now fine tune for trail conditions with the compression clicker knob.
6. To adjust your compression clicker knob, simply twist clockwise to increase dampening or counter clockwise to decrease dampening. There is 24 Clicks of adjustment. Factory setting of this adjuster is 18 clicks from fully closed. If you loose track of where you are, close the knob completely (clockwise) and count the clicks out to 18 again.
7. Finding a good typical bump section is the best place to tune. Remember adjust spring preload first then if you have a compression clicker knob fine tune from there.
For further information please feel free to call 435 753 7774.
If that sled is indeed an Assualt as the pictures would indicate, then the sled wouldn't be equipped with a swaybar since it wasn't installed from the factory.
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Zbroz Racing
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Rubberside down... This may be a silly question... but are you sure you ordered/got the correct longer length assault shocks??
73FX-F6044-W43
73FX-F6044-W43
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rubbersidedown
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I changed out the 43 assault front end for the 40 zbroz kit. The shocks are sized for the 40 kit. I adjusted the preload down two rings (7th) and it made a slight difference. When I had the shocks shipped to me from zbroz I had them install stiffer main springs (205) as I would be running this without a sway bar. I am reinstalling the shocks tonight and will post a few more pictures. Either way I am planning on putting some miles on tomorrow so I can tell you how it rides.
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Rode 48 miles yesterday. Almost all trail with a few tight turns in meadows. I was able to find a hill with no rocks that i could side hill. The shocks do seem to perform well and I could not bottom them out when laying it hard on one side. That being said they do seem too soft and tend to dive when going downhill off camber. ZBROZ can tell me if it is possible to purchase stiffer main springs from you and install them myself, or do I have to ship the shocks backs to you? Thanks for your help.
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We do have stiffer mains we can send just give us a call. How many clips of pre load have you added from how we sent them out? 2-4-6?? If you have only added 2 clips add 2 more.
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We do have stiffer mains we can send just give us a call. How many clips of pre load have you added from how we sent them out? 2-4-6?? If you have only added 2 clips add 2 more.
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