DYNOJET Information Thread 2014-2015

DynojetResearch · Oct 10, 2014

Hello and Greetings from Dynojet to all fellow Forum members! It’s been a busy season for us in the engineering building and we have a plethora of new/improved offerings to showcase for the 2014-2015 season.
After wandering around at Haydays and showcasing our new gear at the Big East Powersports Show, all of the excited and enthusiastic sled-heads have us all ready for snow! It is indeed time to update everyone with what we've been up to all these quiet summer months...

First up and brand new from Dynojet is the POD-300. This product replaces our LCD-200 and has been fitted into a platform to satisfy the needs of us hard-core sledders. We’ve kept all the cool stuff such as real time gauges, In-Field fuel trims to the Low, Mid, and Hi regions of the map, and Datalogging, but we’ve made this display visible in direct sunlight, removed the color touch screen, added programmable warning lights, and best of all – made this thing weatherproof to withstand each and every day of winter time use. Weatherproofing also meant altering the cable connection – and we’ve swapped to a robust, overmolded CAN connector to provide a solid click fit. Oh – and this little gem retails for an even lower price of $249.

Arctic Cat:
The Thief River Cat guys just keep on trucking strong every year. Whether it’s the powerhouse Suzuki powered 800cc twin, or the new 1049cc Genesis triple stuffed under the hood, Arctic Cat machines produce great power and customers are continually purchasing - thus we are building Power Commanders for their sleds all winter long. New for this season is the revamped PCV-CDI version 2.0 for the 800cc/1000cc twins. A long hard look at production board houses and component placement has taught us a thing or two, and prompted us to rework this circuit board to create a wickedly useable, tunable, and accurate new version. The new unit will look entirely the same, but the harness and circuit board are completely different. Kit builders found this fuel + timing control to be a huge benefit last year, and this season will only get better. Enjoy the ability to subtract -100% fuel or add 250% fuel AND have +- 25* of timing with these….Whoooo are they cool and produce an even stouter running sled to shred some snow with your buddies.
That 3-cylinder 4-stroke 7000 series sled as has a PCV offered for it too – even a boost ready version to fuel your turbo J which we all love to do.
And we will never forget about the 9000 series / 1100 turbo sleds as they sure are a giggle to ride. Our product line for these monsters consists of three lovely products in the Power Commander V, Ignition Module, and CMD. Solely the PCV with provide you with fueling control for bolt on mods like the downpipe and intake. We also stub out a pre-configured wire to tap into the MAP sensor if you’d like to create boost tables. Pairing the PCV with the Ignition Module gives you control of fueling and timing allows you to alter spark events based on TP/RPM or you based on boost pressure, and even employ the launch control feature and raise your Rev Limiter! This is a highly useable setup. Or, opt for our CMD (Combustion Management Device) to control fuel and the actual boost pressure the engine develops. This device was wildly popular with the Z1 turbo machines and is still a large player in the 1100T days now. All of these DJ devices are compatible with CAN accessories such as the Autotune or our new POD-300.

Polaris:
Boy, are we loving the enthusiasm that customers devote to their Polaris machine to make it run at the peak of its ability. This season, we have 3 …. that’s right THREE new products to offer for the Polaris riders.
First in the new line from Dynojet is the Power Commander Fuel Controller or PCFC. This bare bones unit keeps all of the tuning ability of the PCV (and accepts Power Commander Maps), but we cropped out the accessory-ability in this lower price point unit. How much lower?? It has an MSRP of $249…yep. You get everything you want in a plug-n-play fuel controller to go ride knowing the map is tuned for your exact machine and will run just how you want-- for $249. Whether you have a CFI4, or a CFI2, or even the new AXYS machine, we have a PCFC for you. All of these models are available RIGHT NOW.
That leads us into the offering for the AXYS sled. As mentioned, we will have a PCFC for the AXYS, but we are also offering a PCV. Keep all the great tunability of a fuel map with 10 Throttle positions, 250RPM precision, store 2 maps changeable on the fly, and have the option to add the POD-300, or the Autotune Device to monitor your AFR and tune your machine automatically as you ride. This PCV version is also currently available.
We won’t stop there though…. With our worthwhile and extremely successful Revision to our PCV-CDI units, we made the new setup versatile enough to provide a Fuel AND Ignition controller to you Polaris riders as well. That’s right – Fuel and Timing control in one box – just like you’ve wanted. After personally riding prototype units late into the spring for hard, hands-on field testing, these new devices expose some massive potential in this 800cc mill. I can only imagine what happens when a set of ported jugs are installed on the bottom end, or an altered expansion chamber geometry to really reap the massive benefits of adjusting the ignition timing! Very, VERY Cool. This new product will trickle in this season as a present for you to help celebrate the New Year!

Ski-Doo:
We really love these Bombardier sleds. The quality that the BRP team puts into these buggies is phenomenal, and we continue to enjoy the ETec engine. While the ETec PCV has worked exactly as it should providing users with the fuel addition they need, for this year we focused on making the PCV for the ETec as good as it ever could be. Some little changes here and there in the raw background operations to accommodate this exotic piggyback system has greatly increased the stability of how this package comes together. Be sure to update your Power Commander unit to our newest version of firmware 1.13.1 to benefit from these improvements.
And we can never forget about the omni-present 1200cc triple. This engine is a stout platform to work with and each year we sell more and more PCV’s for this sled. This was another application where our low Price-point PCFC unit found a perfect niche and is available now.

Yamaha:
The boys in Blue are ramping up their model lineup and storming back into the market with great offerings from trails sleds through mountain monsters. As a factory sponsor of the race team these past 3 years, our relationship and ability to develop products for Yamaha machines has been wildly successful. XC racers or RMSHA hillclimb members are fueling their machines with Dynojet Power Commanders showcasing our company well with Podium finishes throughout the racing season. PCV, Autotune, and even the datalogging in LCD-200 has provided well tuned buggies.
We continue to offer the PCV for the Apex, Nytro, Phazer, and Viper, all of these come in boost ready versions to fuel your turbocharged ride. Controlling ignition timing is possible on the 2012 and older years of the Apex, and all years of the Nytro or Phazer – by pairing these together you can raise your rev limiter or even utilize the launch control feature. But it wasn’t enough to just leave our product lineup the same this year for this brand either – so all of the sleds can also opt for the PCFC as well!

Snowbikes:
Though I've been on a sled since the ripe young age of 2, I find myself more and more excited for snow to fly so I can climb on that familiar "summertime seat" and make tracks in the snow through the thickest trees possible. For you bikers, we continue to offer a PCV and the PCFC for nearly every Fuel Injected machine possible....Yamaha and Honda machines take full advantage of our Fuel + Timing controllers, while the CDI equipped bikes in the KTM, Suzuki, and Kawasaki receive our Fuel only controllers. And we've all heard the stories of having fuel in the oil on these bikes, so we offer the perfect solution by exposing an exterior analog wire for tapping into that engine or air temp sensor. This gives you the superior ability to trim fuel based on that temp reading....to keep that bike running tip top all the time.
Pair the PCV with the Autotune and always keep you bike running at the ideal AFR that you set day in and day out. Or opt to load one of our Pre-made maps available for each of your bikes with various exhaust and intakes from our website.
If you're a total DIY guy, the PCFC is the perfect low-cost option for you. Go ahead and load a base map --- actually load up to 10 of them which you can select from with the turn of a screwdriver!! --- and if those maps still need tweaking in the field, small trim pots give you fine tuning ability to the LO, MID, and HI regions of that fuel map to dial it in perfect without ever needing the USB interface. Cool stuff right there!

As always, feel free to get in touch with me to ask questions or visit our website at www.powercommander.com for more details and entire product listings.

Wishing everyone a safe and snowy year,

~T.J.

geo · Oct 11, 2014

I have to ask, why did you guys stop in the 2000's when developing the Pod 300? I mean low mid hi from the PC3?

I almost bought one thinking I finally had in field tuning for my PCV (and all it's cells). Oh well, I'll wait for the Pod 500.

BigAir · Oct 14, 2014

x2

First thing I thought when I heard new LCD display...hope it allows full tuning of the fuel curve without a laptop.

DynojetResearch · Oct 14, 2014

geo,

The new POD-300 was designed specifically with sled-guys and dirt guys in mind - or our "harsh condition riders". This came down to meeting all of the functional desires that the prior LCD-200 had met, while not letting the form factor dominate the design process. The whole "Form vs. Function" debate was highly critiqued to deliver what a majority of customers wanted.

Things such as:
- Viewing in direct sunlight = throwing out resistive or capacitive touch screens to eliminate glare.
- Weatherproofing = eliminating the SD card slot in favor of on-board storage space, plus adapting to a new Connector. This was a huge gain.
- In-Field Fuel Adjustments = Though it Still uses the Lo, Mid, Hi functions via a simpler 3-button interface instead of tapping the screen, it met the desires of a majority of consumers.
- Easier to read gauges = ditching the color and sweeping needles to provide readouts to accommodate users needing reading glasses.

Overall, the package itself is highly attractive and is nearly impossible to keep off of back-order for us at this time. Snow and especially UTV riders are eating it up and loving the simpler design. The platform of the POD-300 is also used in other applications, thus it needed to be versatile to accept those cases.
Now that our new DynoWare is released and successfully put in production, new projects are being brought to the top of the to-do list and we will be pursuing additional ventures every day. Much like you bring up, a "POD-500" type of device might be worthwhile to meet those upper 10% tier customers who want it all (have the cake and eat it too?)

Thanks for the input guys!
~T.J.

diamonddave · Oct 14, 2014

TJ,

Thanks for posting this information. What model's (or the name of the model) will have ignition timing control for the Polaris?

Thanks

Insaneboltrounder/sjohns · Oct 14, 2014

Why should i buy the new pcv with timing? My sled has jaws pipe , thats it. Not being a smarty , does the new one give my application anything new?

Insaneboltrounder/sjohns · Oct 15, 2014

Why doesn't the DJ store know anything about these?

geo · Oct 17, 2014

Low, Mid, Hi will not cut it on a modern EPA tuned injected 2 stroke sled that is in need of adjustments due to further modifications (the reason you guys exist is because of mods).
Maybe a 4 stroke (lots of Harleys on the road lol), but a wrong broad change in mid to a map that was fine tuned on a dyno by a aftermarket supplier could send a sled into det or even worse quite quickly with everything tuned to valve opening etc.
I'm sure you guys have looked at the modern sled maps. Probably why you don't offer any on your site (lot's of 4 stroke maps though). Too much liability there and I totally agree. This is why I asked " why stop at the 2000's" for in field functions.

You started the ability to properly fine tune with the PC series just never went on to give us the ability to do it without a laptop. Not even a phone app yet lol. Hard to carry a laptop on a sled. Boondocker was Low Mid Hi then but they progressed and allow 13 rpm adjustments in field and allow changes to those ranges as you need as well as throttle position range changes. All on your handle bars.
I guess my many PC products will stay in their original packaging and the Boony Box will stay on the bars. Heck the only sled still in use today that could get away with Low Mid Hi adj. is and old M-sled. But if you look you could probably find and old Boony box for free for one of those.

I still thought of getting one (POD 300) for my bike (4stroke) because they look well built and easy to view and use. I have modded a little bike to work it`s heart out but my elevation-temp changes leaves me wishing for some adjustability at times. On the bar adjustability to change on the fly and get the edge back at 6000' in the summer.
On your site it looked good. Had a pic of the screen and it showed a USB button. So I phoned, spent 15 min. on hold, and put up with a very rude and uninformed operator only to find out it doesn't support my PC3 USB with Low Mid Hi adj. on the body??

Oh well, just sayin'. The UTV guys are lucky I guess.

DynojetResearch · Oct 21, 2014

diamonddave,
The models supported by the upcoming Polaris F/I controller will include all CFI2 machines (600/800 Rush, Switchback, Indy, RMK) and also the new AXYS machines.

sjohns,
The ability to modulate and control timing advance/retard on the Cat's is a true advantage. Ramping the timing in the midrange as powervalves open is a common occurrence on 2-Stroke sleds and produces the hot EGT temps at cruise down the trail. In this portion of the map, the PCV with Timing can pull this back a little bit to keep temps cooler, then still have the ability to add a few degrees on top to gain HP. All of this while not purely retarding/advancing the entire range with a static timing key.
Our Las Vegas location does not know when these will be available - nor do we exactly here in MT. We are simply waiting for production quantities of circuit boards to arrive before we begin shipping. Until then, their internal part number interface will display "not available" just yet.

geo,
You are correct that the POD-300 will not interface with the PCIIIUSB from the past. As our website describes, it will connect to any and all Dynojet CAN devices such as the PCV, AT, WB2, or CMD. The PCIIIUSB is not a CAN device.

Thanks everyone! Winter is almost here....
~T.J.

Insaneboltrounder/sjohns · Oct 21, 2014

thanks for the reply... i have last years pcv with timing controls.... is the new one any different?

diamonddave · Oct 21, 2014

DynojetResearch said:
diamonddave,
The models supported by the upcoming Polaris F/I controller will include all CFI2 machines (600/800 Rush, Switchback, Indy, RMK) and also the new AXYS machines.

~T.J.

I guess I didn't specify which model (or models) of Power Commander Products will have the timing control?

Thanks

DynojetResearch · Oct 23, 2014

sjohns,
This new version is not functionally any different than the one you have. We simply improved the hardware to make it more robust which also added versatility enabling us to employ it on the Polaris machines as a bonus.

diamonddave,
For all Power Commander V's, the name of the model does not change if it is a fuel only unit versus fuel + ignition control - it is still always called a PCV. Nearly all of our UTV's or Cruiser bikes or even a few dirtbikes control fuel and timing in one box - with the PCV nameplate adhered. Our full website calls out the capability of each part number whether it is "Fuel Only", "Fuel + Ignition", "Fuel + TMAP", etc for ordering purposes. For example, navigating to a 2010 Polaris RZR 800 calls out a PCV part number of 19-003 for a fuel only unit, and a 19-013 for fuel + ignition unit all under the PCV name.

Specifically for the Polaris Snowmobiles, PCV part numbers would be:
19-004 = 2010-2015 CFI2 Fuel Only
19-030 = 2010-2015 CFI2 Fuel + Ignition
19-031 = 2015 AXYS 800 Fuel Only
19-032 = 2015 AXYS 800 Fuel + Ignition

Internally, we have dubbed the Fuel + Ignition control units for the Arctic Cat and now Polaris the PCV-CDI (since it is a larger enclosure compared to the Inductive style ignition units specifically designed to handle Capacitive Discharge Ignitions) just for company talk.

I hope these replies answer both of your questions, and for additional info feel free to explore www.powercommander.com to find the expansive product list.
I'll also be at the SLC snow show coming up this weekend and am excited to see all of the enthusiastic sled-heads!

~T.J.

Norway · Oct 23, 2014

So the 19-030 will be what? $499??

RS

DynojetResearch · Nov 10, 2014

Norway,
Our price last year was even lower at only $449, but the price for this year hasn't been finalized. I do know that the circuit board cost did go up with stricter standards set by us, but I'm not sure how much. Once I do know our MSRP, I'll let everyone know.

Thanks!
~T.J.

speedincat · Nov 22, 2014

Its 2014 make us a app so we can do this on the trail from our phones

natedawgedog · Nov 23, 2014

could those of us who bought the older lcd screen maybe get a discount on a trade-in of sorts for the new viewable, weatherproof touchscreen? mine has been collecting dust for 2 years now because it is worthless to me if I cant see it on bluebird days or use it in inclement weather...

edit. or make an app with bluetooth capabilities so we can use our smartphones like speedincat mentioned above me?

jbusch · Dec 11, 2014

How about just getting me my pcv with ignition control back from warranty? First I was told beginning of December mid at the latest. Yesterday when I spoke with Stan now it's Christmas maybe year end. I'm dead in the water and the season is here. I understand that things take time but you have had this since june. I knew that I wouldn't have it back until winter but to loose an entire month of riding is really starting to frustrate me. I'm sure you understand

Jeva · Dec 11, 2014

speedincat said:
Its 2014 make us a app so we can do this on the trail from our phones

I gave up waiting for a app so I bought a HP Stream 7" tablet with windows 8.1 for $100. Actually I paid $80 on sale but retail is $100. It runs there software fine. You also need to buy a micro usb otg adapter.

Jeva · Dec 12, 2014

I was asked to verify that I could change the maps with the tablet and it does work. I can also open maps saved on the tablet and send them to the PCV. Notice the map sent successfully in the picture.

geo · Dec 13, 2014

Pretty good resolution on that little thing. I tried one of the first mini computers a short while back but resolution was very limiting.

Durability? You had it out with you on a ride yet Jeva? How hard is it to select a cell out there or does it come with a "pen"?

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