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Yes, you used to be able to anyway. I've got a bunch on the shelf here. Between that and the EVOL chamber, that's a fair amount of spring-rate "shape" tuning. Add valving and you can setup a Float EVOL QS3 to feel anyway the rider asks...

My experience anyway.

The evol shocks I've had never seem to return to the same place in sag. Like the evol piston always comes to rest in a different spot. I just dropped the evol pressure to zero and treated them like one big air chamber and they worked a lot more consistently.

That shlt's a gimmick IMO
 

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Ohlins oh baby been a while since I've had some didn't even know they were still in the game of sledding.
 

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Have any of you guys had the chance to ride those Ohlins? I love the design, but would be wary of their tune,which IMO is the real battle when setting up a mountain sled. Heat management, fade, etc really isn't an issue for most of us.

Either way, the twin tube stuff is really cool

Legit question... knew that was coming

The fronts(ttx) have been run by Jake at Skinz and some others for a few years. Whatever your opinion of Skinz, Jake is fantastic with suspension, and suspension set up.

The other shocks(shim shocks) have been run in Europe since the Axys hit the snow. You can actually order them out of the Polaris catalog. Plus there is a few builders. I am sure you have noticed on social media, pictures of sleds with Ohlins. Thats what got us going.

The gentleman that is doing the building and valve work, was a engineer and shock builder for Yamaha. Ohlins came on Yamaha(I am sure you are aware of that). When we talked to him, he knew the valving and how every shock on the market acted. He didn't just fall off the turnip truck. He fully understands mountain sleds(his personal sled is axys) and what needed to be accomplished.

Not to mention the support from the engineering dept, and development at Ohlins. Some of the testing they can do is amazing. I am not techy, so what can be done to me is crazy.

The rears just showed up this fall. They will be going through validation over the next month or so. The rears have been the big hang up. We have wanted to run the Ohlins for a few years, but wanted fronts and rears. Total package. At this point there is not a TTX for the rts, but with demand it may become possible.

Skinz will be the sole distributor in North America. Like I said earlier, there will be a couple different levels of pricing. All top quality Ohlins shocks. There will be different lengths for the various models. Plus adjustability within a shock to alter ride heights.

I am not sponsored by Skinz, Ohlins or anything like that. I get no kick back from them either. Just helping out showing what is available and be honest where its at. We just work a lot with Jake on set ups. Telling him what is working and not working. We love the Floats, they work great, but we wanted to go back to a coil. The main concern was the current coils are almost so plush they do not give much rider feedback. The Floats do give feedback, so we wanted a combination of the two. Plush with good feedback from the sled.

Hopefully that answered your question. We will have 3 sleds in our group set up this winter.

Technical questions, call Jake at Skinz. He can talk suspension for hours. If you want... jump in the truck for a test ride.
 

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Btw.... for all your buddies that aren’t smart enough to ride an Axys. :face-icon-small-ton, they also have shocks for the Cats, including Alpha and the Doo too.
 

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Legit question... knew that was coming

The fronts(ttx) have been run by Jake at Skinz and some others for a few years. Whatever your opinion of Skinz, Jake is fantastic with suspension, and suspension set up.

The other shocks(shim shocks) have been run in Europe since the Axys hit the snow. You can actually order them out of the Polaris catalog. Plus there is a few builders. I am sure you have noticed on social media, pictures of sleds with Ohlins. Thats what got us going.

The gentleman that is doing the building and valve work, was a engineer and shock builder for Yamaha. Ohlins came on Yamaha(I am sure you are aware of that). When we talked to him, he knew the valving and how every shock on the market acted. He didn't just fall off the turnip truck. He fully understands mountain sleds(his personal sled is axys) and what needed to be accomplished.

Not to mention the support from the engineering dept, and development at Ohlins. Some of the testing they can do is amazing. I am not techy, so what can be done to me is crazy.

The rears just showed up this fall. They will be going through validation over the next month or so. The rears have been the big hang up. We have wanted to run the Ohlins for a few years, but wanted fronts and rears. Total package. At this point there is not a TTX for the rts, but with demand it may become possible.

Skinz will be the sole distributor in North America. Like I said earlier, there will be a couple different levels of pricing. All top quality Ohlins shocks. There will be different lengths for the various models. Plus adjustability within a shock to alter ride heights.

I am not sponsored by Skinz, Ohlins or anything like that. I get no kick back from them either. Just helping out showing what is available and be honest where its at. We just work a lot with Jake on set ups. Telling him what is working and not working. We love the Floats, they work great, but we wanted to go back to a coil. The main concern was the current coils are almost so plush they do not give much rider feedback. The Floats do give feedback, so we wanted a combination of the two. Plush with good feedback from the sled.

Hopefully that answered your question. We will have 3 sleds in our group set up this winter.

Technical questions, call Jake at Skinz. He can talk suspension for hours. If you want... jump in the truck for a test ride.

Thanks man! Answered everything (and more). If I'm not mistaken one of the big advantages to their architecture is how much "no compromise" adjustment you can get out of the package *without* revalving. Honestly, I haven't looked to closely at them (because my bank account can't handle that...) ;)
 

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Great pick for Ohlins to use Skinz for their sales and distribution in the US. The do such a GREAT job managing their own product line! I actually hurt myself laughing when I read that. It’s going to be a disaster for Ohlins.

My personal experience has been the revalve wasn’t worth the time or money. So I bought springs to put on those shocks. Those just stiffened things up which for me was an improvement but still not dramatic. I bought Raptors for that Pro tho and loved them. Really not much more than a revalve and springs.

Personal favorite is the 5 way adj Fox RC2 Evol Floats. I get them from Toms valved for my weight and riding style(ha not much STYLE in my riding) and I can fiddle them right where I want them. As conditions change I can fiddle them to match. I’ve had full sets of the RC2 shocks on 2 sleds now.
Most people’s experience with Floats is this. They buy them or they come on a sled. They either don’t set them up with air pressures for their weight and style or they use someone else’s numbers. They also don’t adjust the rebound to follow their air pressures. Usually WAY to much air in the ski shocks and they SUCK with too much air. If you have Fox Floats. Any Fox Floats email Tom for a set up to start with. Try it. Try it with less air if you dont like it. Try it with more. If you still don’t like it email Tom and give him feedback. Maybe get them valved by him and repeat the pressure settings. Always have a home base setting you return to so you don’t get too far out to the edges of pressure or clicks.
I can set up shocks for myself or a friend in one ride. Might take you two or three if you are new.
 

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Great pick for Ohlins to use Skinz for their sales and distribution in the US. The do such a GREAT job managing their own product line! I actually hurt myself laughing when I read that. It’s going to be a disaster for Ohlins.

This is exactly why I hate to post anything on SW or internet anymore. Used to be able you could actually learn something. Now it’s jusf a bunch of trolls and people anxious to bash. They even question the people giving out good info.

Curious what has Skinz done to you PERSONALLY, that was so awful. I can line a ton of people up that have amazing experiences with Skinz.
 

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Spaark.... those look AWESOME on your sled !

Sincere questions... I like Ohlins btw..

I hope you can take a min to answer.

Who sells Ohlins in the USA?

And what setup and calibration time do they have on serious mountain sleds?

What are the part numbers, extended and compressed lengths?



Back to the OG poster.... If you lump them all together the lightest, best performing, and bang for the buck , the winner is the TRS revalve and spring package. Great handling, reasonably light, affordable, and simple. The set up is tough to beat in the back country.

The next option would be a stripped down Float. We have ran Floats for quit a few years. Love them, but they are not for everyone. People do not realize the pressure changes from temp and altitude. You really need to stay on top of your pressures.



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Have any of you guys had the chance to ride those Ohlins? I love the design, but would be wary of their tune,which IMO is the real battle when setting up a mountain sled. Heat management, fade, etc really isn't an issue for most of us.

Either way, the twin tube stuff is really cool

I'll take that even one step further... with good full-synth shock oil and proper valving/spring or air-pressure... a basic mono tube is appropriate for 95% of the mountain riders out there. Unless you are a true relentless whoop-crusher, good synth fluid in a properly valved shock will give fade free performance to most any mountain rider, and I see no need for a piggyback unless, for your own reasons, you MUST go with adjustable comp adjustment.

For me, the basic Floats are an excellent choice for most riders... as are the basic, but HIGH END offerings from the companies above.


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I'll take that even one step further... with good full-synth shock oil and proper valving/spring or air-pressure... a basic mono tube is appropriate for 95% of the mountain riders out there. Unless you are a true relentless whoop-crusher, good synth fluid in a properly valved shock will give fade free performance to most any mountain rider, and I see no need for a piggyback unless, for your own reasons, MUST go with adjustable comp adjustment.

For me, the basic Floats are an excellent choice for most riders... as are the basic, but HIGH END offerings from the companies above.


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From a technical standpoint, I 100% agree with this.
 

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Spaark Skinz hasn’t done anything too me. What they have done is design some amazing products. I’ve been running Airframe Running boards on 7 diff sleds across all 4 brands. Concept front ends, seat, lots of bumpers, bags, brake levers etc. what they ALWAYS suck at. And SUCK is a real understatement is product production and delivery. I could get a tactical nuke easier than a hot Skinz product in season. It’s actually an old painful joke how bad they are. For Ohlin to choose Skinz to do their sales and distribution is just laughable. They can’t manage their own products at all and now they have the entire US locked down for Ohlins. Let the games begin.....
 

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Well I bought a set of Raptor TRS Springs -
Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations on where to start out in adjustment with springs as compared to stock springs??


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So is Carls or Raptor the best place to get your stock Walker Evans rebuilt with synthetic oil? Or is there other options. I have the SKS with remote resevoiors and actually happy with the shock and spring package. However, now on year 2 I should have them rebuilt.
 

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Anyone use Carver Performance. They Fox and walker specialist and purchased Deycore.

I used Carver for a different sled but did have them revalve all shocks and the guy did a good job that was noticable. I guess what I'm getting at is that he did as advertised and was good about getting them back to me in a decent timeframe. Think it was about 2 weeks from shipping out to getting them back and right before the Holidays, so a busy time.
 

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Well I bought a set of Raptor TRS Springs -
Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations on where to start out in adjustment with springs as compared to stock springs??


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I'm on a 163 axys 163x2.6 turbo.
I was just adjusting my Raptor Kinetic shocks with TRS Springs a few days ago. I'm about 190lbs with nothing on.
RTS(rear track shock) Raptor instructions said to start off with the spring 10 3/4" long. I noticed way to much sag at this level. I adjusted it to 10 1/4 inches length on that spring. This brought it back to where its a good level to start tuning it more. Its near stock ride height with maybe 3 inches sag?

FTS(front track shock) They said to set that spring 8-8.5 inches long. I think mines set at 8.5" and I felt that was ok for now.

Ski shocks, I can't remember the length but I would guess I have about 1/4" pre load on them, I can't really adjust them any softer. I was very happy with this setting on my first few days of riding the new shocks.

Mostly everything was spot on except the RTS. Hope this helps. Good luck
 
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