Chaos Conversion Kit! Available NOW
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Have these shocks on order to go with my 162 Khaos. Cant wait!!
The 155 is a very fun and playful sled well suited for all around riding.
The 163 Khaos build is incredibly fun and adds a lot more playfulness to the traditionally more tame RMK 163 while still being incredibly capable in deep snow and technical terrain.
We had some tech issues so here is the proper link to the YouTube video.
The 163 Khaos build is incredibly fun and adds a lot more playfulness to the traditionally more tame RMK 163 while still being incredibly capable in deep snow and technical terrain.
We had some tech issues so here is the proper link to the YouTube video.
I would love to hear more feedback on the 155 vs 163 khaos/chaos
So we have had a chance to run numerous configurations and track lengths so far this season and here is a short list of the things we noticed.
The biggest thing we noticed on both the 155 and 163 length is both have a bit less ski pressure right out of the gate. This makes them roll up on edge a bit easier then a traditional RMK sled as your carrying more weight on the skid shocks vs on the skis. Overall it just feels quite a bit more lively and easier to roll around compared to traditional RMK sleds.
The 155 Khaos sleds are in a unique position. Because the Khaos is so much more lively track length plays a huge role into how much and how quickly they transfer. Stock belt drive 2.6" tracks are very light on the skis and playful but we find they pop up and out of the snow very quickly with fairly aggressive ski lift (easily 2' if you pull hard on takeoff) but after the initial "pop" out of the snow they will settle the skis down just off the snow and climb with ease. We have also worked with numerous riders doing various track swaps and more aggressive track options (camso x3, powerclaw 3", etc) we find the sled can becoming incredibly wheelie friendly. These sleds will carry the skis somewhat indefinately and can be stood up and hit the rear bumper with ease. Sleds with these more aggressive tracks and cut tunnels will come directly over backwards rather quickly. The fun part about this new shock package we have worked with Fox to deliver is that it is able to be very quickly adjusted with the QS-L option on the rear shock. Position 1 is very wheelie friendly and a lot of fun. Position 2 will still wheelie but more tame then stock Velocities and obviously the Lockout position will almost eliminate wheelies alltogether and keep skis down and rider moving forward. This combo helps make the 15x length khaos builds a lot more versatile. What we found is the range of adjustment in the RTS on the stock velocity shocks on the Khaos did not offer a wide enough range of adjustment and also keeping track of around 15 clicker positions on the tiny knob got a little tiresome. Overall the 15x sleds are VERY fun but can be a little bit of a handful to a novice rider as they are rather playful and can be a bit wild in technical terrain. For a more seasoned rider we feel it just allows for more creative and playful riding with ease vs RMK.
The 163 length Khaos is a very fun build and we are really enjoying our shop sled. The one big perk is obviously that your getting the short tunnel/long track combo. This steps up the sleds ability and fun factor a bit on its own compared to converting over a 163 RMK with the longer tunnel. So right out of the gate you are adding ability by going this route. This sled has the fun and instant "pop" out of the snow as described above on the 155 but obviously a bit less as the increased length tames it down. Where we see a bigger difference is the affect of track choice. The 16x builds seem to be much more stable and consistent regardless of track choice. They all seem to pop the skis out of the snow about 1-2' depending on snow conditions but then settle in with the skis lightly resting on top while climbing. The 162 is impressively stable on a sidehill and washes out a lot less then the 15x length sleds. It does continue to impress us with its ability to allow hopovers and moves like "bowties". The short tunnel and the extra "pop" make for a sled that still can be very lively when you demand while also very controllable. We joke that the sled is just overall too easy to ride. It does exactly what you want, when you want and we feel it will definitely take an average rider and make them more capable and confident then whatever their current sled is. Again, the shock perks with the QS-3 shock package from fox translate over and make for quick and easy swaps from playful to very tame and planted to handle the nastiest terrain you can find.
We hope that helps!
Can you elaborate on what limitations you found with the stock velocity RTS range of adjustment?
What we found is that even though it has around 15 clicks, the actual change to shock performance was a bit small. Basically you could go fully soft to fully hard on both the high and low speed adjustment and while a change was noticeable it was not that drastic and didn't meet as large of a riding demand as we would like to see. Between the shock being a 'bypass' style and then a fairly soft valving combo out of the box, our team (of vary skill) all found ourselves running on the very stiff end of the stock clicker positions. The soft end of adjustments was just mushy and nobody ran in those settings. The specific spot we struggled with was the Low speed dampening on the RTS. This controls how aburptly the sled transfers weight and wheelies. The stock shock was good at allowing moderate to a lot of wheelies but was not good at keeping it under control.
Also what we have seen is a shock with approx 15 clicker positions of both high and low speed makes for something most riders dont want to tinker with. They will just run a specific set of settings all the time as they dont want to try and tinker or remember what they were running for specific conditions. We really enjoy the QS3 feature on the Fox Sshock as you have easy to adjust easy to communicate. Riders can adjust settings that make sense with riding conditions.
We have been very impressed with the ability of the Fox crew to put together a shock with incredibly plush initial stroke but then far superior anti-bottoming. We could run a nice soft enjoyable ride package but also have one that you could rally down the whoops and not knock your teeth out bottoming off every bump.
Also what we have seen is a shock with approx 15 clicker positions of both high and low speed makes for something most riders dont want to tinker with. They will just run a specific set of settings all the time as they dont want to try and tinker or remember what they were running for specific conditions. We really enjoy the QS3 feature on the Fox Sshock as you have easy to adjust easy to communicate. Riders can adjust settings that make sense with riding conditions.
We have been very impressed with the ability of the Fox crew to put together a shock with incredibly plush initial stroke but then far superior anti-bottoming. We could run a nice soft enjoyable ride package but also have one that you could rally down the whoops and not knock your teeth out bottoming off every bump.
I currently have Fox/Burandt QS3's with lock out on my AXYS RMK. Is it just the valving that is different with the shocks your packaging with these rails or is the length different as well?
The front track shock is longer and is an evol with QS3 as well, the standard fox/burandt package only comes with a basic float 3 for the FTS. The the valving configuration on the entire skid side is a bit different as well to handle the new demands of the Khaos geometry.
Here is a picture of the new Fox FTS coming in these kits.
Sounds like a revalve is in my future.
(Just ordered some velocity shocks for my 2016 silber turbo 162x3)
I’ll have to test first since these shocks already have Some attention from carls cycle, including fox internals and good oil.
Our team out ensureing the kit is ready for not only nasty tree riding but also some big hits!
There are just a few kits left so if you are thinking about it, time to get it done and enjoy it for the rest of the season!
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Installed my chaos conversion kit a week ago today on the 155 pro rmk. Leaving tomorrow for a few days of riding in Maine. Cant wait!
We have 1 set of these shocks left in stock otherwise they are out of stock until the fall!
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