165 RMK Boost not playful enough, suggestions

[Mr. Redrock]

My new 165 boost wont bring the front up much at all. It handles well and goes like no other but just very little ski lift.
I have a 2020 163 turbo that will bring the front up to be playful but still in control and climbs well. I don't need it to be wild like a Khaos.

I'm 205lbs geared up.

I've done the following;
Loosen the RTS almost all of the way, and turned clickers 2 off full soft.
Tightened FTS up 1/2"
Lengthened the limiter strap 1/2"

It feels like the RTS spring is just way to stiff and or the valving is not right. Rough on the trails with it this soft also.
I ordered a Khaos length limiter strap and was going to put anti stabs wheels on the rail for protection, but am now thinking I should change out the rear shock to get what I need.

Any thoughts?

 

[idahosledder]

Tighten the FTS more, a LOT more.
I went ten turns before it started feeling better.

 

[Rabiesbabies]

I guess while we're on the topic, can someone give me a quick run down on what a tighter and loose track shock will do?

 

[cortez]

My new 165 boost wont bring the front up much at all. It handles well and goes like no other but just very little ski lift.
I have a 2020 163 turbo that will bring the front up to be playful but still in control and climbs well. I don't need it to be wild like a Khaos.

I'm 205lbs geared up.

I've done the following;
Loosen the RTS almost all of the way, and turned clickers 2 off full soft.
Tightened FTS up 1/2"
Lengthened the limiter strap 1/2"

It feels like the RTS spring is just way to stiff and or the valving is not right. Rough on the trails with it this soft also.
I ordered a Khaos length limiter strap and was going to put anti stabs wheels on the rail for protection, but am now thinking I should change out the rear shock to get what I need.

Any thoughts?

I’ve noticed the front end of mine seems to squat a bit more than previous axys models, the a-arms seem to rest at a much flatter angle. I’m not sure if it’s the added weight with the turbo & e-start but I’m going to try putting more preload on my front shocks to see if it helps keep the front in a higher position which in theory should help… will report back.

I agree with what others have said about cranking the FTS, I felt a definite improvement even with small adjustments.


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[Mr. Redrock]

At 6'2" I could lose a few pounds I guess. Never had a problem getting the skis up before after adjusting the suspension.
Tightening the FTS will reduce ski pressure
As anyone switched out rear shocks and have good results and what brand did you use?

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

At 6'2" I could lose a few pounds I guess. Never had a problem getting the skis up before after adjusting the suspension.
Tightening the FTS will reduce ski pressure
As anyone switched out rear shocks and have good results and what brand did you use?

I’m running the fox qs3’s burandt edition khaos geometry on my boost 165.

Big improvement.

It feels similar to an Axys 155 pro.

The matryx really has a very different front- rear weight balance vs Axys.

 

[diamonddave]

I’m running the fox qs3’s burandt edition khaos geometry on my boost 165.

Big improvement.

It feels similar to an Axys 155 pro.

The matryx really has a very different front- rear weight balance vs Axys.

Fully agree. Although getting shocks right now is like getting people awake from their woke status. Good luck. My favorite is the Khaos shocks and limiter on a Pro. Or a Pro limiter on a Khaos sled if sled has Khaos rail profile.

Carls has a very good revalve on the Velocities.

I stand by the Dragon to Pro chassis comparison. This sled requires much different shocks settings on the Danforth compared to Axys. We cranked up FTS back then too.

Hmmm

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

Fully agree. Although getting shocks right now is like getting people awake from their woke status. Good luck. My favorite is the Khaos shocks and limiter on a Pro. Or a Pro limiter on a Khaos sled if sled has Khaos rail profile.

Carls has a very good revalve on the Velocities.

I stand by the Dragon to Pro chassis comparison. This sled requires much different shocks settings on the Danforth compared to Axys. We cranked up FTS back then too.

Hmmm

Yep i snowchecked my shocks through burandts store.

Order in June delivery in December.

 

[NEWDUCK]

Maybe it’s not the sled, Perhaps you should consider becoming a better rider, or maybe lose some weight.

Will that help getting "other" things up as well? Asking for a friend....

 

[Mr. Redrock]

Found a set of QS3 floats, hopefully that will be the ticket.

 

[PSI 800]

Interesting, a few guys here are having the opposite, cant keep the front end down. they are riding NA non-kaos sleds but the front end is acting like a kaos. I think Polaris is so far behind in deliveries," havent got mine yet" that the shock calibrations are all over the map as far as set up.

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

It's very difficult to get a 163 Poo to lift the front end no matter how you approach the setup. They kick ass on the mountain because they are designed to provide minimum ski-lift and keep the majority of the track on the snow. A 155 is a different animal altogether, if you want playful go 155".

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

It's very difficult to get a 163 Poo to lift the front end no matter how you approach the setup. They kick ass on the mountain because they are designed to provide minimum ski-lift and keep the majority of the track on the snow. A 155 is a different animal altogether, if you want playful go 155".

I think all the different reports are likely related to snow conditions and base conditions or lack thereof.

Deep, wet, steep, good grippy base? Lots of ski lift
Deep, dry, steep, ok base? Medium lift
Deep, dry, low angle, not much base? Not much lift
Shallow, dry, low angle, no base? Nearly zero lift

Ad infinitum……

In short i run 162-165 on my sleds with as much lift as possible. (Lots with boost)

But a simple adjustment gets me ski pressure for when I want it.

 

[goridedoo]

See lots of posts about heavy front ends, and lots of videos of the exact opposite.

 

[jim]

Maybe it’s not the sled, Perhaps you should consider becoming a better rider, or maybe lose some weight.

So let me get this straight...you are saying that a bigger, heavier person is not going to compress the rear suspension more, dig the track deeper and get more ski lift? Because that's the single problem I've seen bigger dudes have...too much ski lift. You must have found a way to reverse physics and moment-based forces...which is waaaaay better than doing suspension mods.

 

[PaulAnd]

So let me get this straight...you are saying that a bigger, heavier person is not going to compress the rear suspension more, dig the track deeper and get more ski lift? Because that's the single problem I've seen bigger dudes have...too much ski lift. You must have found a way to reverse physics and moment-based forces...which is waaaaay better than doing suspension mods.

I’m gonna double my food intake!


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[turboless terry]

At 6'2" I could lose a few pounds I guess. Never had a problem getting the skis up before after adjusting the suspension.
Tightening the FTS will reduce ski pressure
As anyone switched out rear shocks and have good results and what brand did you use?

Cranked my buddy's fts almost all the way from day one. The first day in a few feet of powder it was awesome. You could tell it was heavier than stock 850 but still great. Second time there was 4 to 6 inches on a base and it felt like a boat anchor compared to stock. Stock kaos 165 felt waaay lighter and still a hoot. The turbo still has plenty of steering with fts tightened waaay up. We are going to take 25 pounds out between battery and diamond s but i think it is going to need kaos geometry to lighten it up. Marketing ploy by polaris so they had something to offer for second year besides bng.

 

[diamonddave]

I think all the different reports are likely related to snow conditions and base conditions or lack thereof.

Deep, wet, steep, good grippy base? Lots of ski lift
Deep, dry, steep, ok base? Medium lift
Deep, dry, low angle, not much base? Not much lift
Shallow, dry, low angle, no base? Nearly zero lift

Ad infinitum……

In short i run 162-165 on my sleds with as much lift as possible. (Lots with boost)

But a simple adjustment gets me ski pressure for when I want it.

Exactly. Then throw in centralized mass in the design and build of the sled….

Once people realize this sled is much different than a tunnel cut-clutched and suspensioned Axys and learn to adjust suspension and ride it, these woke complaints will cease.

 

[chevy_man]

Why is everyone so scared to move all their shock settings?

I've never seen 1 come out of the factory with the springs set anywhere specific. They just toss a little preload and figure the rider will adjust it.

It's suspension, not going to kill you too play with it and figure out what you need.

Then again, why buy a pro and complain it's not playful? It's like buying a kaos and complaining it's pulling the skis.

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

Found a set of QS3 floats, hopefully that will be the ticket.

Bad news. They won't fit. There is a new rear track shock being made because the new rear arm and closer idler hits the shock resi. Or u need an axys rear arm