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Old 02-06-2017, 04:27 PM
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New here to snowest, please bear with me so I'll explain what I got going on and see if I can find help.
Not new to sleds but new to the 4s turbo. I have a 2014 M9000 Ltd, all stock.
Front shocks were at like 150 psi, way too high.
Stock skis, I know they blow...
Rear float was at 150 psi as well and I am not really sure on preload for front rear skid shock.

Sled handles like **** and I have all I can do to turn the thing... Help me understand what I need to do to make this machine feel somewhat fun to ride.
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Old 02-06-2017, 05:06 PM
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The front feels heavy because it is. I'd start by stiffening the front track shock and putting some of that weight to the skid and soften the rear track shock to help it transfer it to the rear. This will lighten the front but also cause it to trench more. Drop the pressure in the front ski shocks that will help it roll more and a little easier to turn.
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Thanks for that info. I also read on here that going to the 16 model year a arms and spindles helps lot.
I love the power but like I stated the handling is terrible. Maybe I'm trying to do the wrong type of riding? Powerline and backwoods and really I need to get this sled in 7 feet of snow at 9000k elevation?
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I spent most of a season riding a four stroke because my main riding buddie decided to buy one and he could just not ride it. Things are tough all around for any tight technical riding. They want to head into every treewell, off camber situations are rough, sidehilling becomes a fight for your life sometimes. Unless you are riding open rolling areas or point and shoot you are gonna have to use quite a bit more effort and energy than your buddies on a 2 stroke. Instead of it reacting to your input it's almost like you are fighting with your wife trying to get her to do what you want
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OK... When you put it like that I understand. It's going to do what it wants anyways. I guess by tighting up the front skid shock, will that help that much? I honestly don't care about trenching, I like in Upper MI, so 3 to 4 of snow is max for me... I just want to be able to steer the thing. Like my original thoughts where if this thing was this hard to steer from factory how did they sell any?? Sure, at 301kg (663lbs), it's considerably heavier then anything else out there but I didn't think it would be this bad.
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Think of your sled as a teeter/totter and the front track shock is in the center. With the front track shock stiffened it puts more weight in the middle and less off the front and rear. Lessening the pressure in the rear track shock lets the sled tip towards the rear of the sled taking weight off the front ski's. When you give the sled throttle inertia causes weight to go towards the rear, with a stiff front track shock and a loose rear shock it allows the weight from the front of the sled to "transfer" to the rear. Well not actually the weight but where the weight is supported.

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How to fix,

Sell it, but an m8000, make a few changes and ride circles around the pro.


4 strokes are the dumbest thing on the snow. I can still make them do crazy stuff but why. I hate them with a passion.
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I ride one too. It's very heavy! Loose that muffler, replace skis, tallest riser you can grab. Drop air in rear, will help shift that weight. Other stuff helps a little.... Sled will always be heavy, you will learn to ride it. Every ride is a challenge! But squeeze right hand, be rewarded!!!
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I don't think anyone mentioned ski alignment. Check your ski alignment and make sure it is within spec, slightly toed out (1/8"). If the skis are toed in, or too far out, they will be difficult to steer.
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It was recommended that I lower the front skid mounting point on my
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