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I am looking into getting radio setup for my riding group. I have been reading through here and looking at alot of different options. Right now I am thinking about going the Baofeng route due to the price point and verstility of them. (Need to keep this as low as possible)

But I have been trying to research as much as possible on the different rule and regulations with these radios and have having some trouble finding simple straight forward information for a newbie to the radio world.

Basically I'm looking for a good radio setup that our group can talk to eachother within close distances, (trying to find a guy stuck in trees or split up somehwere). And it would be nice to have some sort of option for long distance comms in case of emergency also.

With the Baofengs which model and frequencies would be my best option for me having no radio licensing whatsoever without the possibility of interfering with others and ending up in some potential trouble?

Any advice would be appreciated.
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The Baofeng UV82 and UV5R variants can be programmed for FRS and GMRS frequencies in their memories.

http://www.aceforums.net/forum/20-ac...on-system.html

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Any pros-cons to either of those models or would they both be a good choice? They are pretty much the two I was trying to decide between.
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I am looking into getting radio setup for my riding group. I have been reading through here and looking at alot of different options. Right now I am thinking about going the Baofeng route due to the price point and verstility of them. (Need to keep this as low as possible)

But I have been trying to research as much as possible on the different rule and regulations with these radios and have having some trouble finding simple straight forward information for a newbie to the radio world.

Basically I'm looking for a good radio setup that our group can talk to eachother within close distances, (trying to find a guy stuck in trees or split up somehwere). And it would be nice to have some sort of option for long distance comms in case of emergency also.

With the Baofengs which model and frequencies would be my best option for me having no radio licensing whatsoever without the possibility of interfering with others and ending up in some potential trouble?

Any advice would be appreciated.
If you are not in a URGENT rush to make a decision, hang tight for a couple days.

I am starting a new Install and Review article on the SCALA PACK TALK system for sled to sled communications. I am a Extra Class HAM radio operator so I do in fact have a pretty good handle on how comms work.

I am "Hopeful" that this new system will be useful for us in a real world situation. Will be installing 3 units tonight, and testing them this weekend at Togwotee.



In general though.
In the mountains, there is simply NOTHING that beats Radiated Power.

WATTS + ANTENNA = BEST POSSIBLE communications in the mountains and in the heavy forests.

anything with more than just a few watts legally "requires" a HAM license. And yes I know full well that most sledders just ignore this federal regulation and blast right along hoping the FCC will never catch them. I got it..

FRS Radios = 0.5 Watts
GMRS Radios = 5.0 Watts

HAM Radios (Handheld Walkie-Talkie Style) 10 Watts is about MAX you are going to find on anything you would consider "Affordable". I use 600 watts and can crank it up to 1,500 watts if needed.

The other BIG advantage that the HAM style radios offers you is a MUCH MUCH better ANTENNA!

If you decide to go the route of the cheap Chinese Baefong style radios, do yourself a favor and spend some coin on the best antenna you can get. It WILL make a noticeable difference!
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Although the Packtalk system looks very nice I don't think I can talk my group into dishing out that much coin for them at this point. Looking to stick to the basics for right now, not really even looking for something integrated into the helmets necessarily, just something to have with us to use if needed.
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Although the Packtalk system looks very nice I don't think I can talk my group into dishing out that much coin for them at this point. Looking to stick to the basics for right now, not really even looking for something integrated into the helmets necessarily, just something to have with us to use if needed.
I think the Packtalk would be great for a group riding together but for one on one riding, the 1 mile range is rather limiting. The reviews online of this sytem do state that it is feature heavy and complicated to understand all of the features-not sure what they mean by that.

I'm seeing pricing of about $245 plus shipping and possibly tax for each unit. You can buy a lot of Baofeng's for this amount.

A Baofeng costs about $28, add a Nagoya Antenna $10, add another $20 for a helmet mounted speaker/mic system with a PTT velcroed onto your front avi backpack strap, and you have a system with better range and better capability with ability to transmit on SAR/EMT/Sheriff's Office, and in a real emergency use Ham Radio repeaters. The Baofeng also have weather radio reception capability which I have found very helpful while on day long ATV rides in the backcountry.

If you are riding in am area with FM radio reception, the BF radios can be dialed to FM stations too, have a nice LED flashlight, and do most of what you want them to do except make you a better rider.

If you don't want a helmet mounted mic/speakers, a speaker handheld microphone works great and tolerates getting wet. Cost for one is about $8. The speaker mic allows you to mount the the bulkier radio out of the elements.

BTW, I'm a Ham too and got my Extra 38 years ago at age 9 back in the day when you had to know Morse Code, 20 words per minute minimum if I recall for the Extra license.
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Yes, the BFs aren't technically legal for FRS/GMRS because they have a detachable antenna and can emit more than allowable wattage on the FRS/GMRS frequencies. If that bothers you, a GMRS radio license is cheap and easy to get and then you don't have to worry about legality on GMRS frequencies. I use Ham frequencies when ATVing with family members who are also Hams and use GMRS at 1/2 watt with non-licensed folks....removable antenna still a no go but I doubt the FCC police will stop unlicensed folks to do antenna checks.

https://www.fcc.gov/general/general-...o-service-gmrs

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So besides the fact of the wattage and removable antenna, from what I gathered on that FCC page at the very bottom the Baofeng could be operated on the FRS channels 8-14 without any licensing?
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BTW, I'm a Ham too and got my Extra 38 years ago at age 9 back in the day when you had to know Morse Code, 20 words per minute minimum if I recall for the Extra license.
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I had to learn algebra first and then it took a lot of studying before I attempted the exam. Morse code was fairly easy as I used it all of the time due to the fact I stuttered when I spoke and didn't feel comfortable on the voice bands.

Coolest memory I had was building a 2 meter directional flat dish antenna so I could make contact with a Ham on the space shuttle when I was a young teen. It was a good hobby to be into as video games were fairly new and the interweb hadn't been invented by Al Gore yet.

I think the tech behind the Scala is pretty darn neat! Having duplex comms is a nice feature too. I look forward to your review of the Scala.

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So besides the fact of the wattage and removable antenna, from what I gathered on that FCC page at the very bottom the Baofeng could be operated on the FRS channels 8-14 without any licensing?
Don't get wrapped up with the legality....thousands of folks are using the Baofeng although they are technically not legal for use on FRS and require a license on GMRS to be legal.

The reason is as follows:

FRS radios must not emit more than 1/2 watt and must have an integrated (meaning not removable) antenna. The baofeng emits more than 1/2 watt and has a removeable antenna.

Here is what the FCC says verbatim: If you operate a radio that has been approved for both FRS and GMRS, and if you limit your operations to the FRS channels with a maximum power of ½ watt effective radiated power and an integral antenna, you are not required to have a license.

I wouldn't worry about using the BF radios for FRS, GMRS, or even MURS frequencies. I may start using MURS frequencies next season because I'm starting to hear more traffic on the FRS/GMRS frequencies when I ride with non-Ham types.

I'd be more worried about getting a speeding ticket then whether or not a BF radio should be used on FRS/GMRS or MURS frequencies. At least with speeding, Mr Trooper is looking to catch you. Mr. FCC has bigger fish to fry then a backcountry sledder who is not interfering with other communications.

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