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Old 12-07-2013, 06:33 PM
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My sons 91 indy 400 has a bog when starting off from a stand still. Once it gets going it is fine. On take off it won't even spin the track like it used to. I don't drive the sled so I didn't know about it until I took it for a spin the other day. My kid says it has been doing this for awhile now. I just had the clutches apart and for cleaning and noticed it had 10M5 (I think) weights. The manual says stock weights are 10MB. So I changed them hoping that it would make a difference. Both the primary and secondary have the proper stock springs. The belt looks fine and sits up about 1/16 - 1/8" high above the secondary sheaves. I was going to take the cabs off and clean them but thought I would get some opinions first. Does this sound like a carb issue.
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The first place id go would be clutches. The clutches probably have never been serviced. Sounds like you have belt deflection set properly. Check your primary,rollers and weight pins and weights, probably need to be replaced. Primary spring needs to be replaced. The spring sacks out with use and is probably shot. Next check your secondary clutch. Pull it apart and replace wore out or broken spring, also replace the buttons the helix rides on. more than likely they are wore out.

Sometimes if the primary hasn't been serviced your better off replacing the entire cluth, they just plain and simply wear out !!!!!!!!!

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As for a carb issue, that is also possible. Check throttle cables, you need to make sure that the carb slides are pulling up in sync with each other. adjust them at the carbs where the throttle cables go in.

Also check compression on your motor, you may have a cylinder going down or just wore out. should be in the 115-120 pound range.
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I will check these things. When I had the clutches apart for cleaning everything looked fine. As for the springs, I have never replaced them since I got the sled at 2100 miles and the sled has over 8000 miles on it now. I guess that would be a good place to start.
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With that many miles the clutch is probably shot. check the pins that hold the weights for wear, they get grooved and so do the weights in the bushing where the pins slide through. Also the cover bushing wears and binds the clutch. Its the the big bronze bushing in the center of the cover. Look at these areas and see if they need to be addressed.

Don't overlook the secondary clutch it needs to come apart to check the spring and to inspect the buttons. Im sure the buttons are completely gone and and the helix is wearing on the aluminum on the clutch.
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I just bought some new springs for the primary and the secondary. I had the clutches apart for cleaning a couple weeks ago and things actualy looked not bad. The buttons in the secondary looked surprizingly good. I changed weights in the primary to the proper 10MB, it had 10M5. This helped with the performance a bit but not with the bog. I will check compressin and change the springs for starters and continue from there. Thanks for the help.
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What are you comparing the bog to? These older piston port engines typically have a bog off the bottom versus a reed port engine.

Good luck eliminating as much of the bog as possible.
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I'm comparing to what the sled used to do. It had no problem spinning the track on take off before.
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Compression is 117 on the pto side and 112 on the mag side. Also did some checking on the oem belt. The OEM belt is suposed to be 3211042 and the belt thats on it now is 3211070. According to my research the 3211070 isn't used on anything older than a 97.
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