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Don`t know much about camera`s ... but looking for the best camera for digital still photos and sequence shots ... for example when dropping a cornice having it shoot every 10th of a second or so. Looking to spend less than $1000. Would a Canon or Nikon DSLR be the ticket?

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I have had good luck with canon dslrs. We just bought a new T3i a month or so ago. The drawback is they are a pain to carry with you - especially if you have a zoom lens on it.

They are by far the best option for capturing great action shots so I try to take it with me as often as possible.
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I'm in the same boat as you... looking for the same things... Been looking for a while.

10 FPS (frames per second) for less than $1000 is difficult... the only one I've found under $1000 ($699 for the body) is the Sony DSLR

The Sony DSLR's will go toe-to-toe with the best.

I've read great things about the Sony Alpha 55... One of the recent Photo mags rated the Alpha 55 as the best fast action camera under $2000
They also rated the A-55 as the Pro - Level camera that is the most user friendly for the novice photographer!

If you are using a long lens... and shooting Burst mode... Image stabilization will come in handy... the A-55 has this.

For a bit more.. you will get into a camera that can do the work you want.

But it is like sled..you need accessories... A pelican case mounted to the tunnel to carry the camera, some extra batteries, memory, and some other items.

The Sony Alpha55 with an excellent 18-250mm lens.CLICK HERE
10 FPS, 16mp, image stabilization built into the camera $1050.00 (heck... It has a $600 lens on it!!)



The Cannon 60D with a good lens at B&H 18-200mm... a good buy...18mp... but only 5 fps $1350.00
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I just got a Canon 60d. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!

Got two lenses. 18-135 IS and I also got the black 70-300 IS USM. I REALLY like my camera so far. I mostly use the Tv setting and have gotten FAIRLY comfortable with adjusting the shutter speed and exposure.
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I would be afraid to put camera equipment on my tunnel...even in a pelican case. There is too much shaking/slamming and up down going on back there for my liking.
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The Sony A55 is an AMAZING new concept in DSLRs.
make no mistake about it, it is likely where all the others will go in the next decade as we get rid of the movable mirrors all SLRs have had for the last 50 years.

BUT...

in YOUR specific situation you want to shoot FAST ACTION clips of 10 frames per second, and the A55 has a significant problem with that one specific feature.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta55/page18.asp

The 'headline' 10fps shooting mode is useful in some situations, but ultimately we can't help feeling that it is something of a red herring.
The A55 is an excellent camera but it is not the ideal tool for shooting fast action
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The limitations of using the 10fps mode - (no live view updates, no aperture control if you want AF during the burst) limit its effectiveness, and although it is good for its class, the A55's 15-point AF system is not in the same league as higher-end cameras when it comes to predictive focusing.
This shouldn't be taken as a serious criticism (the A55 is after all a mid-range camera), but anyone looking for EOS-1D Mark IV AF performance on a budget will be disappointed.


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With the Alpha SLT A55 (and its near-relation the A33) Sony has thrown down the gauntlet to the other major manufacturers. These new cameras are both genuinely innovative, and very capable. Sony first introduced phase-detection AF in live view mode with the A350, but the A55 takes things to a completely different level, thanks to its fixed mirror design. Rather than being an optional mode with some disadvantages (less than 100% view, no magnification in Fast AF Live View mode) live view is absolutely integral to the A55's operation and works very well.

Coupled with what appears to be an excellent sensor, and good ergonomics the A55 must count as one of the strongest contenders in its category, and one that in some respects completely re-aligns our expectations of what is possible in consumer-level equipment. Naturally though, we have some criticisms - when shooting fast action the A55's 15-point AF system cannot deliver on the promise of its 10fps shooting rate, and the lack of live view refreshes except at its lowest 3fps setting makes panning very hard to judge. The lack of aperture control in AF-C mode at 10fps is an inevitable but unfortunate consequence of full-time AF, too, and manual control over movie shooting is limited as well.

Since publishing this review we have taken the opportunity to investigate the much-discussed 'ghosting' effect of the A55's semi-transparent mirror. Our conclusion - if you know where to look for ghosting, you might find it on close examination, but we don't consider it to be a problem in the vast majority of 'real world' shooting situations.

Ultimately it is the 'bread and butter' stuff - the excellent all-round performance of the A55's key systems, its fluid ergonomics and largely hassle-free handling that really make it stand out, and we have no hesitation in giving it a gold award.

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Having said that.
I am probably going to be purchasing a Canon EOS T3i myself as my Christmas present!

The A55 MIGHT be the better long term solution for use on a SLED as it does NOT HAVE THE MOVABLE MIRROR, which "should" make it stand up to impacts better.

My current Canon EOS had to be sent back in this summer to have the mirror replaced when it locked up on me.

Another site that is worth looking at is this one.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm

But Ken is HIGHLY Nikon Biased!!
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I read that same review on the Sony...

This criticism is coming from a site that also evaluates premium performance $7000.00+ cameras in the hands of truly professional photographers.
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...it is not the ideal tool for shooting fast action.
Yes... but in their opinion, the "Ideal tool" would be a large body Cannon 1DX which is ridiculously expensive.

I would say that what they mention is far from a "significant problem"

The other key phrase that, for me, makes this irrelevant to us non-pro people is
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My feelings on this is.... Who can adjust aperture or look at an update in an event window of .10 seconds???

Also, unless you are using a fixed lens with a small F rating... how much control do you have over the aperture ? The lens also plays a major role here.

I talked to Cannon Customer service (factory)...They said that in this new age of 10-14 (or more soon) FPS, these considerations (live update and focus control in .1 seconds or less) becomes a moot point for a human being using the camera. At that rate of burst, there is simply no time for the shooter to adjust this and although their Pro Level cameras do have this feature... they could not think of any photographer that would be able to use this feature in a way that would allow them to adjust their camera during the burst. Essentially, this feature is something that has become irrelevant in this new age of high FPS action Digital photography. The new 14 FPX 1DX has auto aperture/Auto focus available that is seamless... and in these cameras, the Pro Photographers are shooting in this mode (not manual)... simply because it is not humanly possible at that rate. The auto update is something that, if activated, becomes a blur across the screen/viewfinder at those speeds.... and is effectively not a useful tool when trying to manually adjust for this in these "small event windows"

... Now, if you were talking about adjusting this at the much slower rate of 3.7fps... yes, that is something that might factor in if you are lightning quick and prefer to have manual control in this situation.... IMO, that would be something that the best Professional photographers might need.. but then again, they are not using this kind of camera budget.

When I talked with the Tech support at B&H (they don't work on commission)... They simply said that in terms of burst image production... for less than $4000, the A-55/77 are in a league of their own. And, without the movable mirror, the durability of the A-55 camera is "rock solid" in comparison to a moving mirror camera.

The T3i has been a strong consideration for me..but with the movable mirror and the slow 3.7 FPS performance... It did not rank as high for me in my intended use... It has a max burst of 3.7 FPS and only 9 step AF....A-55 with 10FPS and 17 step AF... The EOS 1D-X with 14 FPS and 61 point AF

The only thing that I see that the A-55 does not greatly overshadow the T3i, for the non professional action-sports photographer, is that the T3i has progressive 1080i video where the Sony is interlaced 1080i. Unless you are showing on a huge projector, this is not really a concern for me in terms of perceivable video quality. For the best 55" HD flat panel... the average person would not notice the difference.

In the $1000 ballpark (w/lens) I really don't see anything in the A-55's league for shooting action sequences and giving amazing performance for all but the true professional photographer.


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The $7000+ Cannon EOS 1D-X... one word... WOW!!









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One last one that I considered when reading that review...

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when shooting fast action the A55's 15-point AF system cannot deliver on the promise of its 10fps shooting rate, and the lack of live view refreshes except at its lowest 3fps setting makes panning very hard to judge.
If you are standing in the snow, with your tripod and the sled (or other object/person) is moving right next to you... then the AF system at the higher FPS settings might not give you ideal focus, but would still give you decent images and no other camera in this category can even come close to that performance.

If you are standing at any distance, and shooting a sequence, this "panning argument" also becomes moot.

If you are standing next to the moving object as it goes by... the slowest setting on the A-55 is still at the max settings of other cameras in this price range... I have not read any criticisms of the 15 point AF of the A-55 at even 7fps at close range....

I have not read any criticisms of the Sony 10 FPS at mid/long ranges using tele lens as the focus/aperture does not effectively change over the swing of the shot.

All of the above reasons lead me, after reading all the reviews (like the excellent review that Christopher posted above) is that the A-55, as a sledders camera, at price around the $1000 mark (which is also my "max comfort range") ... Is in a league of its own for action and durability.

For me, use in my non pro hands will have me relying on many of the automatic features of a decent DSLR camera.

OH... and get the extended warranty on Whatever camera you get. Make sure it covers moisture damage and accidental damage.








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Scott.. I looked long & hard at the 60D.. That thing is one SWEET camera!!

In the end, with its super flexible lens (10-250) and that I'm shooting in daylight... plus wanting to have fast "burst" speeds.. the price of the Sony A-55 and the features for what I needed were much better.

The 2mp difference for me did not make too much of a diff as I really don't blow up wall sized posters.

The other item that I liked on the Sony is the 3D panorama.

dizzle... I hear ya...The backpacks are nice... but heavy and I like to have only my emergency gear on my back.

A small Pelican case, tucked up close to the seat would seem to get the least abuse... Since I would not cary more than a couple of extra batteries with me and some filters.. A small one would do me fine... plus I'd like to put a grip heater in the box to chase off the chill and keep condensation down to a minimum. Keeping snow out of the case (or backpack) when getting the camera in/out is also important to me... Quick draw, water-tight and durable were for me.. big considerations for me.

Something like the Pelican iM2075 or the iM2100

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I have a Pelican 1400 case that I use to haul around my Canon T1i and 55-250mm lens. I would bungee cord it to the rear of the tunnel on my Summit. It worked awesome last year and I would definitely say that a Pelican case is a must for carrying a DSLR on a sled. I've never had a problem with my setup, however now I DO have a problem...

I sold my 05 Summit and now have an 09 Dragon 155", any ideas on how to mount my case to the rear of the tunnel?? On my Summit it was easy to just bungee cord it to the stock hooks, but my Dragon has no such hooks, any advice?
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