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why will using a sos or analog beacon kill(murder) myself or riding friends. i can use it and have practiced lots. sales guy asks what is my life worth. i think my buddy's beacon is more important, and that he knows how to use it. so will a 4 to 500 beacon be better equiped to save me than my old sos beacon. please explain. i'm not asking about what receiver my buddy or rescuer is wearing. just my transmitter



don't get me wrong i think the new digital beacons are the way to go.

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If you are the one buried, then it doesn't really matter which beacon you are using, as long as it is still transmitting on 457khz. Some of the older beacons have had "frequency drift" and may be a few cycles off of 457, therefore decreasing the range that your beacon can be found from. (A pieps DSP can check frequency drift of other beacons, so if you know someone who has a pieps DSP, they can check our frequency drift for you).

Also, new this year, the Ortovox 3+ has a new feature to help you if you are the one buried. The orientation of the transmitting antennae can have an impact on the distance you can be found from. There is an optimal orientation, a poor orientation, and worst orientation. The Ortovox 3+ a three-antenna beaconwith "intelligent position recognition system", which analysez the position of the antennas and automatically switches to the optimal transmitting antenna. There is no longer any such thing as the 'worst position'.

When it comes to searching with a beacon, I would definitely choose a Pieps DSP over an SOS. If I get buried and want to be found, I hope my buddy is wearing a Pieps instead of an SOS.

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yes i agree, but you are talking about the receiver, the transmitter makes no difference. single transmit antenna, 1 orientation. so my beacon has really no effect on my ability to be saved. and i would think all beacons will have signal drift over time thus making no difference. so again how will wearing a digital beacon be better at saving the victims life.


a varity of beacon makes would be the best in a rescue situation. but difference does it make what the victim has on?

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yes i agree, but you are talking about the receiver, the transmitter makes no difference. single transmit antenna, 1 orientation. so my beacon has really no effect on my ability to be saved. and i would think all beacons will have signal drift over time thus making no difference.

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Also, new this year, the Ortovox 3+ has a new feature to help you if you are the one buried. The orientation of the transmitting antennae can have an impact on the distance you can be found from. There is an optimal orientation, a poor orientation, and worst orientation. The Ortovox 3+ a three-antenna beaconwith "intelligent position recognition system", which analysez the position of the antennas and automatically switches to the optimal transmitting antenna. There is no longer any such thing as the 'worst position'.
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yes, but that again is in the receiver, nothing to do with the transmitter. transmitter signal pattern, will not change, unless a different antenna is used or a different signal. all the digital receiver has done is process the info for you. were as the analog sos receiver, you the operator must process info instead.

so how will a digital transmitter better able to save a avi victim.
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The digital transmitter will be able to save a life faster when you have to switch it to search mode to find your buddy. Have you ever practiced with an SOS beacon and then tried a similar search with a digital beacon? Its like riding a 98 summit 670 vs a new M8. Try a multiple burial search, its like adding a turbo to the M8.

Sure, when you are the one buried your odds are quite similar weather you are wearing an analog SOS or a modern digital as long as your buddies arent trying to figure out how to search with an old SOS.

Your choice of beacons isnt just about you and how long it takes someone to find you....
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yes i agree, but you are talking about the receiver, the transmitter makes no difference. single transmit antenna, 1 orientation. so my beacon has really no effect on my ability to be saved. and i would think all beacons will have signal drift over time thus making no difference.



the 3+ can give you a better chance that someone will find you. FASTER.
please explain how wearing this beacon will allow anyone to find me faster.
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The digital transmitter will be able to save a life faster when you have to switch it to search mode to find your buddy. Have you ever practiced with an SOS beacon and then tried a similar search with a digital beacon? Its like riding a 98 summit 670 vs a new M8. Try a multiple burial search, its like adding a turbo to the M8.

Sure, when you are the one buried your odds are quite similar weather you are wearing an analog SOS or a modern digital as long as your buddies arent trying to figure out how to search with an old SOS.

Your choice of beacons isnt just about you and how long it takes someone to find you....
again you are not answering my question, and yes i have. it is a lot harder, but can be done. you want me to turn my beacon off when we do a search for you. i think snowbigdeal has answered my question. thank you. i still feel the digital beacon is the way to go, just wanted some honest answers.

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please explain how wearing this beacon will allow anyone to find me faster.
Because all beacons, regardless of whether they are one, two, or three antennae, only transmit on one antennae. Therefore if the transmitting antenna is transmitting on the one antennae with the worst antennae orientation, the range at which your beacon can be picked up will be decreased. The 3+ beacon recognizes which direction your transmitting antennae is oriented and switches to the best antennae for transmitting. (this is all the theory behind it; if you go out and play with multiple beacons and orient them differently, you will find that all beacons have areas in which they excel and other in which they do poorly).

My personal opinion: 99% of the time this will not help you and your SOS beacon will do just as well as long as it is still transmitting on 457khz.
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when in transmit mode, the 3+ will pick the optimal antanae to transmit depending on how the beacon is situated. im not sure why you are not understanding this.
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