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Exclamation Loud Exhaust On Snowmobiles... Is there a place for this anymore?

OK... I'll start up a nice "HOT" topic that, IMO, needs to be discussed more... especially as we see more and more lands getting closed to sled access.

Non-Snomobiler impressions of snowmobiles are being directed by some people that primarily show loud exhausts in videos etc to ruin the public image, of snowmbile riders and their machines. Non sledders/offroaders outnumber sledders/offroaders by a Gargantuan margin.

"They'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands" ??? Well, "they" just might

And "they" wont just be granola crunchin greenies... I've met plenty of card carrying, large carbon footprint, ultra conservatives that could give a rats azz about sledding and find them to be very irritating... so lets not make this into a Conservative Vs. Liberal thing.

Loud exhaust does not equal "PERFORMANCE"... It just makes you feel that your sled is making more power... compared to a Well Designed quiet exhaust. You can design a quite exhaust, be it 2 or 4 stroke, to make just as much power or more than a straight exhaust...It just costs a bit more.

"Screw the Greenies... I'll run as loud of exhaust as I want to!!" is actually "Screwing" ourselves as snomobilers....

I like the sound of a nice loud engine running in good tune...Weather that is John Forces funny car or a good running MX bike.

But we live in a shrinking world today

What sounds "Sweet" to you can sound really BAD to others.

Look at it this way... if you were sitting in your living room, with your best buddies, watching the Superbowl on your new surround sound equipped 50" plasma TV... beer is flowing / steaks on the grille...... and in the middle of the second quarter....the neighbor kid and 6 of his buddies decide to "tune" their chainsaw-engine powered Go-Peds for the next 2 hours, on and off ...with straight pipes..... Would you sit down and say... "Heck, junior has the right to run what he has....I'll just turn the volume up a bit"

OR

You are fishing a great little trout spot... and 6 loud dirt bikes decide to ride there while you fish...

OR....

You are hunting and somebody keeps ripping buy in their modded turbo RZR for a while and scares off that prize 12 pointer....What would happen?

Others may say "Well that analogy doesn't apply to me....I only ride EXTREME backcountry and there are no other people around"... Is that ACTUALLY true??? Do you live and ride in the Yukon hinterlands?? Can no one else hear you... when you unload in the lot, or take the fire/logging road to get to your favorite spot??? If you really can say yes to this... then you are in the 0.05% of the snombilers out there.

"Loud pipes save lives"... That dog just don't hunt anymore... that excuse has far too many negative consequences to it.

IMO, Loud cans/stingers or straight Turbo exhausts are bad for the public image of sleds...
Those that ride with loud pipes are causing more damage than just "pizzing off a hippie". They are taking away from the future of snowmobiling in the backcountry....

Radar guns, speed limits on trails with Police watching....boy, that sounds good!

Bad public image of snowmobiles...even from people that are NOT 'greenies' starts a chain reaction from other people that don't care if motorized access is closed.


It is sad to say... but the PUBLIC OPINION will decide weather or not we have sledding access in the future.

We don't need any new people that want to take away sledding access.

Manufacturers that make loud exhaust products are actually hurting, IMO, their own long-term ability to make a living off of snowmobiles...if sledding areas keep getting closed at the rate they are = big problem.

FLAME AWAY!!

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If you are a Manufacturer of exhausts for sleds, or turbo systems...and chiming in here.... please tell us what you make and the sound level it produces.
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No need to flame from me.....Couldn't have said it better!!!! Another great post!!!
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Ok.... I see your point..... but.. I'll throw a spin on things...


Why is it ok for Harley riders to have bikes that are so darn loud they can be heard from MILES away, when 1/2 way across my town on the hwy?

Why are they allowed to be loud?

Most high performance machines are loud for a reason...... less restriction.

However, if you do some research.... vehicles with a shorter / no "muffler" exhaust off of a TURBO are actually fairly quiet, in comparison to their supercharged or N/A counterparts.

110dBa shouldn't be considered "rediculous". I know that a concert hall is a LOT louder than that. Shoot, a BAR is louder than that.
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I love the sound of my two-stroke!!! I love NHRA! Our home theatre can shake the windows.

BUT.....

I can tell you - I am opposed to LOUD sleds, motorcycles, etc. The sound of our machines is the greenies largest weapon against us. And they are DESPERATE to get us off "their mountains". They talk of "sound barriers" surrounding Wilderness areas - barriers of silence, if you will. Seems ridiculous right?? Well Obama was just awarded the Noble Peace Prize. Anything is possible!!

(sorry - I know you said no politics, but I just had to make my point)
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I gotta say that I frickin' HATE Harley noise. Used to drive me nuts that they get to 'pop-pop-pop-pop-pop" around town while the Feds were always crawling all over my Pro-street Duster checking for DOT exhaust and the like. I agree on the noise with the toys....although I must admit that I am an offender. The XP with Dyno pipe and MBRP can is actually at least as quiet as stock at low RPMs....so when I ride around home or even when I am around the sled staging areas, I stay OFF the throttle as not to offend. Same with my quad.....I have an obnoxious pipe on it (yes...it picked up 5 RWHP) so when around camp or around my neighborhood, I stay off the throttle.
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The thing is...
2 strokes need restriction in the exhaust to perform better. so anyone thinking that the loudness creates more jam is mistaken.
I am running a stock exhaust right now, and I tell you, it actually is kinda nice to not have to wear ear plugs while riding.
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Why is it ok for Harley riders to have bikes that are so darn loud they can be heard from MILES away, when 1/2 way across my town on the hwy?
I see your point and respect it.

I live in a big Harley town.... people get pretty big tix left and right for loud pipes here on their scoots... as they should IMO.

BUT....Harleys dont have endangered riding grounds like sledders do... and there are a whole lot more of them than sledders....

Lets keep this on track about snomobile exhaust and not "It just not fair"...
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When people arent allowed to polute the air I have to breathe with cigarettes and 300 lb chicks have a dress code I'll worry about how my sled sounds.
this is exactly the kind of ignorance the greenies are using to close down the land we ride. please, dont EVER speak in public representing our sport.

when you no longer have land to ride your sled...have fun smoking cigarettes with your fat girlfriend.
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