Denver to vote on tents in city parks

Basically everything that liberals get control of turns to ****.

black z said:

Basically everything that liberals get control of turns to ****.

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Yet people are still stupid enough to vote for them.

GOD people need to fix this broken record. I am sure someone will point to the Muslims/Mexicans and say they are at the root of this issue shortly. Mark my words.. Why is this a liberal problem and not a societal problem I ask? Don't answer I already know the real answer. Its always easier to blame other people for your own short comings. Also its a lot easier to sit behind a keyboard and complain your a victim then actually getting off your A$$ and becoming part of a solution whether that is going out and voting against such measures like the one if Colorado or working with others to find a solution.

Everyone seems to support vets until they, because of mental issues due to what they went through, become homeless then its someone else's problem. The homeless problem in this country is growing because of drug addiction and mental illness. the programs to help people stay off the streets and help them stay productive citizens are all being shut down because of taxes being cut and there is no money in cities budgets to support these programs anymore. Yes with every program there are always people who take advantage of the system. However That doesn't erase the good that these programs so often do.

We have huge tent cities along our river and there is nothing that can been done about it because there is nowhere for them to turn for help. No one in the city can use the river walk because they become aggressive and protective of their so called turf just as any gang in their hood would be. Every 6-12 months the police go down clean up the areas and collect 5000 dirty needles and trash and other chit and try to offer them what little help there is left. They just move to another area in the city and about 1 month later, because there is no place for them to seek shelter, you can see them slowly moving back down by the river and the cycle continues.

As our middle class become smaller and smaller due to them carrying more and more of the tax burden in this country, the Great Old USA i slowly retreating back toward a 3rd world country status. Most accurate example of a 3rd world country is the majority of the population lives in severe poverty while a select few have all the wealth. This so called ordinance i am sure will pass because most people will not get off their a$$ to vote against it and what a disaster it will be when it does. This is not a conservative or liberal issue is a major societal one so quit playing the victims conservatives. it is very unbecoming of anyone. We are all in this together. if you are not working toward a solution you are part of the problem.

bholmlate said:

GOD people need to fix this broken record. I am sure someone will point to the Muslims/Mexicans and say they are at the root of this issue shortly. Mark my words.. Why is this a liberal problem and not a societal problem I ask? Don't answer I already know the real answer. Its always easier to blame other people for your own short comings. Also its a lot easier to sit behind a keyboard and complain your a victim then actually getting off your A$$ and becoming part of a solution whether that is going out and voting against such measures like the one if Colorado or working with others to find a solution.

Everyone seems to support vets until they, because of mental issues due to what they went through, become homeless then its someone else's problem. The homeless problem in this country is growing because of drug addiction and mental illness. the programs to help people stay off the streets and help them stay productive citizens are all being shut down because of taxes being cut and there is no money in cities budgets to support these programs anymore. Yes with every program there are always people who take advantage of the system. However That doesn't erase the good that these programs so often do.

We have huge tent cities along our river and there is nothing that can been done about it because there is nowhere for them to turn for help. No one in the city can use the river walk because they become aggressive and protective of their so called turf just as any gang in their hood would be. Every 6-12 months the police go down clean up the areas and collect 5000 dirty needles and trash and other chit and try to offer them what little help there is left. They just move to another area in the city and about 1 month later, because there is no place for them to seek shelter, you can see them slowly moving back down by the river and the cycle continues.

As our middle class become smaller and smaller due to them carrying more and more of the tax burden in this country, the Great Old USA i slowly retreating back toward a 3rd world country status. Most accurate example of a 3rd world country is the majority of the population lives in severe poverty while a select few have all the wealth. This so called ordinance i am sure will pass because most people will not get off their a$$ to vote against it and what a disaster it will be when it does. This is not a conservative or liberal issue is a major societal one so quit playing the victims conservatives. it is very unbecoming of anyone. We are all in this together. if you are not working toward a solution you are part of the problem.

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So the liberals want to allow hoards of people to come into our country with no method to support themselves, and then blame conservatives for the homeless.
Talk about people that just don't get it!

bholmlate said:

GOD people need to fix this broken record. I am sure someone will point to the Muslims/Mexicans and say they are at the root of this issue shortly. Mark my words.. Why is this a liberal problem and not a societal problem I ask? Don't answer I already know the real answer. Its always easier to blame other people for your own short comings. Also its a lot easier to sit behind a keyboard and complain your a victim then actually getting off your A$$ and becoming part of a solution whether that is going out and voting against such measures like the one if Colorado or working with others to find a solution.

Everyone seems to support vets until they, because of mental issues due to what they went through, become homeless then its someone else's problem. The homeless problem in this country is growing because of drug addiction and mental illness. the programs to help people stay off the streets and help them stay productive citizens are all being shut down because of taxes being cut and there is no money in cities budgets to support these programs anymore. Yes with every program there are always people who take advantage of the system. However That doesn't erase the good that these programs so often do.

We have huge tent cities along our river and there is nothing that can been done about it because there is nowhere for them to turn for help. No one in the city can use the river walk because they become aggressive and protective of their so called turf just as any gang in their hood would be. Every 6-12 months the police go down clean up the areas and collect 5000 dirty needles and trash and other chit and try to offer them what little help there is left. They just move to another area in the city and about 1 month later, because there is no place for them to seek shelter, you can see them slowly moving back down by the river and the cycle continues.

As our middle class become smaller and smaller due to them carrying more and more of the tax burden in this country, the Great Old USA i slowly retreating back toward a 3rd world country status. Most accurate example of a 3rd world country is the majority of the population lives in severe poverty while a select few have all the wealth. This so called ordinance i am sure will pass because most people will not get off their a$$ to vote against it and what a disaster it will be when it does. This is not a conservative or liberal issue is a major societal one so quit playing the victims conservatives. it is very unbecoming of anyone. We are all in this together. if you are not working toward a solution you are part of the problem.

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Lots of words to identify a known problem, your suggestions are what ? And we are the victims , like it or not. Mainly of our elected politicians, so yes it’s our own fault in some ways. But the bleeding heart whiners who want to fix the problem by providing safe injection sites, rehab and reintegration for repeat criminals, taxpayer funded housing for all homeless even the ones who can work but choose not to , free breakfast , lunch and supper , with no expectation of doing anything to earn it, allowing and actually encouraging religious zealots whose beliefs state their goal is to take over our country and cause us harm and have done exactly that so often to bring their crazy backwards primitive practices to our schools, and neighbourhoods and call it diversity, allow illegal immigrants from everywhere to enter the country and when they do call them immigrants or asylum seekers and then fund all their needs with dollars our taxpayers contributed with an expectation it would be used to better their future , our children and our seniors, not some idealistic idea of saving every unfortunate from whatever country . Lots more examples , and the majority are liberal views.
Liberal pendulum has for whatever reason swung to the stupid side, Getting closer and closer to all out Socialism.
People need to get back to an expectation of being responsible for yourself. The hand holding and coddling needs to stop. You’d almost think we’d have learned that from the way we’ve handled our First Nation situation. Kinda similar in my opinion, pretty soon we’ll have more people at the free lunch counter than the ones cashing their cheque’s for a days work.
Gonna be tough on some , but we all make our own choices and some get dealt a tough hand , but giving up and crying victim is getting way to common.

bholmlate said:

GOD people need to fix this broken record. I am sure someone will point to the Muslims/Mexicans and say they are at the root of this issue shortly. Mark my words.. Why is this a liberal problem and not a societal problem I ask? Don't answer I already know the real answer. Its always easier to blame other people for your own short comings. Also its a lot easier to sit behind a keyboard and complain your a victim then actually getting off your A$$ and becoming part of a solution whether that is going out and voting against such measures like the one if Colorado or working with others to find a solution.

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It is a liberal problem because it is liberal policies that promote this type of problem. It isn't the conservatives wanting to house the lazy in the parks, it is the liberals. Just like it is the liberals that have taken over the state of Colorado with their fag boy governor. So far he has taken gun rights, killed oil production and is fixing to remove one of the only protections taxpayers have in this state to keep you idiot libs from taxing and spending us to death.

BTW, I do vote and I have joined the effort to recall our governor and donated to that cause. Of course participating as you suggest hasn't actually really ever left me satisfied with the results, so I am not sure that works. I can see how you like it since your side, the side that thinks more taxes, more programs and more government control are good things somehow.

Everyone seems to support vets until they, because of mental issues due to what they went through, become homeless then its someone else's problem. The homeless problem in this country is growing because of drug addiction and mental illness. the programs to help people stay off the streets and help them stay productive citizens are all being shut down because of taxes being cut and there is no money in cities budgets to support these programs anymore. Yes with every program there are always people who take advantage of the system. However That doesn't erase the good that these programs so often do.

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Well that is simply not true. We have more programs than we ever have had. Colorado just approved doubling the amount going to the low income housing programs for the state. We do not need more taxes and more programs. We need to privatize as much of it as possible so that we can have some accountability. That would increase efficiency and lower the burden on taxpayers. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the homeless. How many shelters have you been involved with opening? My wife has done it several times. The fact is most homeless are homeless by choice.

We have huge tent cities along our river and there is nothing that can been done about it because there is nowhere for them to turn for help. No one in the city can use the river walk because they become aggressive and protective of their so called turf just as any gang in their hood would be. Every 6-12 months the police go down clean up the areas and collect 5000 dirty needles and trash and other chit and try to offer them what little help there is left. They just move to another area in the city and about 1 month later, because there is no place for them to seek shelter, you can see them slowly moving back down by the river and the cycle continues.

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Nothing can be done? BS. You have vagrancy laws right? If you start locking them up and taking away their drugs I bet the tent cities begin to disappear. It is nothing short of stupid to just let it happen and throw up your arms claiming nothing can be done...

As our middle class become smaller and smaller due to them carrying more and more of the tax burden in this country, the Great Old USA i slowly retreating back toward a 3rd world country status. Most accurate example of a 3rd world country is the majority of the population lives in severe poverty while a select few have all the wealth.

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What is driving that? Not capitalism. Maybe the attacks on capitalism by socialism? You do understand that what you describe is what has happened to almost all socialist countries right? Have you been to europe? That is a place where you are either rich or poor, no in between at all. You claim to not want this but support the liberal policies that are bringing it to fruition in this country.

BTW, the numbers show that as the rich become richer in this country, EVERYBODY else has become richer as well. That is the fact.

This so called ordinance i am sure will pass because most people will not get off their a$$ to vote against it and what a disaster it will be when it does. This is not a conservative or liberal issue is a major societal one so quit playing the victims conservatives. it is very unbecoming of anyone. We are all in this together. if you are not working toward a solution you are part of the problem.

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I personally do not give a crap about what happens in Denver. I can't wait for all of these big liberal cities to implode on themselves for this kind of stupidity.

We are NOT all in this together, that is ludicrous. You and I have VERY different opinions on how things should be run. We have very different visions of what our world should look like. How on earth are we in it together? I do not want what you want and vice versa. Finding some compromises might be a good route but most conservatives are over that plan as we have been force fed this idiotic liberal doctrine by you people for decades and it has FAILED, just like it has EVERYWHERE it has been tried.

The problem with this country is the liberal indoctrination that has clouded your judgement. What I have never been able to understand is why people like you want to live in the USA? There are dozens of nice countries around the world trying to run on your plan. Instead of fighting to change this country, just move. Try that socialism on for size for a while. This country was founded on different principles than the ones you espouse. Instead of trying to change this once great country, wouldn't it be a lot better for everyone if you libs would just up and move out? We could have our country back and you could live in that utopia you think socialism with bring you.

Mafesto said:

So the liberals want to allow hoards of people to come into our country with no method to support themselves, and then blame conservatives for the homeless.
Talk about people that just don't get it!

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No kidding lol

Big10inch said:

It is a liberal problem because it is liberal policies that promote this type of problem. It isn't the conservatives wanting to house the lazy in the parks, it is the liberals. Just like it is the liberals that have taken over the state of Colorado with their fag boy governor. So far he has taken gun rights, killed oil production and is fixing to remove one of the only protections taxpayers have in this state to keep you idiot libs from taxing and spending us to death.

BTW, I do vote and I have joined the effort to recall our governor and donated to that cause. Of course participating as you suggest hasn't actually really ever left me satisfied with the results, so I am not sure that works. I can see how you like it since your side, the side that thinks more taxes, more programs and more government control are good things somehow.



Well that is simply not true. We have more programs than we ever have had. Colorado just approved doubling the amount going to the low income housing programs for the state. We do not need more taxes and more programs. We need to privatize as much of it as possible so that we can have some accountability. That would increase efficiency and lower the burden on taxpayers. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the homeless. How many shelters have you been involved with opening? My wife has done it several times. The fact is most homeless are homeless by choice.



Nothing can be done? BS. You have vagrancy laws right? If you start locking them up and taking away their drugs I bet the tent cities begin to disappear. It is nothing short of stupid to just let it happen and throw up your arms claiming nothing can be done...



What is driving that? Not capitalism. Maybe the attacks on capitalism by socialism? You do understand that what you describe is what has happened to almost all socialist countries right? Have you been to europe? That is a place where you are either rich or poor, no in between at all. You claim to not want this but support the liberal policies that are bringing it to fruition in this country.

BTW, the numbers show that as the rich become richer in this country, EVERYBODY else has become richer as well. That is the fact.



I personally do not give a crap about what happens in Denver. I can't wait for all of these big liberal cities to implode on themselves for this kind of stupidity.

We are NOT all in this together, that is ludicrous. You and I have VERY different opinions on how things should be run. We have very different visions of what our world should look like. How on earth are we in it together? I do not want what you want and vice versa. Finding some compromises might be a good route but most conservatives are over that plan as we have been force fed this idiotic liberal doctrine by you people for decades and it has FAILED, just like it has EVERYWHERE it has been tried.

The problem with this country is the liberal indoctrination that has clouded your judgement. What I have never been able to understand is why people like you want to live in the USA? There are dozens of nice countries around the world trying to run on your plan. Instead of fighting to change this country, just move. Try that socialism on for size for a while. This country was founded on different principles than the ones you espouse. Instead of trying to change this once great country, wouldn't it be a lot better for everyone if you libs would just up and move out? We could have our country back and you could live in that utopia you think socialism with bring you.

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Very well said. All of the morons that want to change this country seem to forget the fact that this country is one of the youngest on this planet, yet we have managed to completely dominate the world in less than 250 years of existence. How long has the UK been around? Germany? China? India? Why aren't they the world's powerhouse? It's because of our constitution, our natural resources, and how this country was operated for its first 200 years. I look forward to a counterargument resent:

23 trillion in national debt,9 trillion in corporate debt, 2 trillion in student loans and who knows how many trillions in other debt. When a slow down in the economy causes the corporations to drag a foot across the trip wire of default.
BOOM, we will all be living in tents down at the park.

freekweet mods said:

23 trillion in national debt,9 trillion in corporate debt, 2 trillion in student loans and who knows how many trillions in other debt. When a slow down in the economy causes the corporations to drag a foot across the trip wire of default.
BOOM, we will all be living in tents down at the park.

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At least you now have a President who recognizes the situation for what it is and is working hard to change it for the better. Your Democrat party is as screwed up as the Libtards in our country, Trump is working hard to make positive change.

freekweet mods said:

23 trillion in national debt,9 trillion in corporate debt, 2 trillion in student loans and who knows how many trillions in other debt. When a slow down in the economy causes the corporations to drag a foot across the trip wire of default.
BOOM, we will all be living in tents down at the park.

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I think that I understand what you are implying. You are saying that it is wreckless to excite the economy to the extreme level that our great President Trump has because of the inevitable downturn. To a small degree, I agree with that. I fail to understand the benefits of creating more jobs than we have workforce.
But let's look at it a different way..... This scenario is light years ahead of the Bush/Osama era of high unemployment.

Your rationale is like someone deciding to not diet for fear of gaining back the weight.

In the end, doing SOMETHING always beats doing nothing.
But more importantly, when the economy has the inevitable correction, I want someone like our great President Trump guiding the ship through these treacherous waters. If the Osama era taught us anything, it's that an inexperienced putz is NOT what we want as a leader with a stagnant economy.

freekweet mods said:

23 trillion in national debt,9 trillion in corporate debt, 2 trillion in student loans and who knows how many trillions in other debt. When a slow down in the economy causes the corporations to drag a foot across the trip wire of default.
BOOM, we will all be living in tents down at the park.

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Didn't we just go through a serious economic slowdown? Pretty sure that is why we are in recovery right now... Despite a MAJOR slowdown during the obama years we didn't default and nobody has to live in a tent. Though secretly, I do wish the major urban areas would collapse...

Not my democrats,Slick.

black z said:

Very well said. All of the morons that want to change this country seem to forget the fact that this country is one of the youngest on this planet, yet we have managed to completely dominate the world in less than 250 years of existence. How long has the UK been around? Germany? China? India? Why aren't they the world's powerhouse? It's because of our constitution, our natural resources, and how this country was operated for its first 200 years. I look forward to a counterargument resent:

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Amazing what a bunch of immigrants can accomplish!

Jaynelson said:

Amazing what a bunch of immigrants can accomplish!

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Yes!
When they love their new home and assimilate to their new neighbors.
When they are willing to start at nothing and build a new life with blood, sweat and the help of one another.

Mafesto said:

Yes!
When they love their new home and assimilate to their new neighbors.
When they are willing to start at nothing and build a new life with blood, sweat and the help of one another.

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Yes i couldn't agree more. If all of them came to America and wanted to be American that would be fine. The problem is they come here and want to keep their fu(#ed up values waving their flags from the countries they came from and don't want anything to do with this country other than take the free handouts. This country has to stop offering all free programs to illegal immigrants and start deporting them regardless of children etc. I get sick and tired of being taxed to death knowing a good portion of it goes to some freeloader that is not even a legal citizen.

Jaynelson said:

Amazing what a bunch of immigrants can accomplish!

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HaHa! I see what you were trying to do there...

The problem is, there is a big difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. The vast majority of immigrants that built this country came legally. Todays issue is different. I do not know a single person opposed to legal immigration. The problem is the flood of illegals burdening the systems WE pay for without contributing themselves. You have seen the line of mexicans at Wal Mart on payday sending money back to mexico right? THAT is the problem. They come here illegally and steal from us. I guess you think we should be OK with that plan....

Big10inch said:

HaHa! I see what you were trying to do there...

The problem is, there is a big difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. The vast majority of immigrants that built this country came legally. Todays issue is different. I do not know a single person opposed to legal immigration. The problem is the flood of illegals burdening the systems WE pay for without contributing themselves. You have seen the line of mexicans at Wal Mart on payday sending money back to mexico right? THAT is the problem. They come here illegally and steal from us. I guess you think we should be OK with that plan....

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More aptly, they came BEFORE such a thing as illegal immigration was codified.

I've been listening to the Anti-federalist papers, after having listened to a biography of Alexander Hamilton. The constitution was not perfect 230 years ago & many of the holes that existed in it then, still do now. Is the constitution superb? Yes. Is it perfect? Heck no. Listening to the arguments against adopting it has been fascinating. I agree with many of their suppositions. And some of their foresight into the messes that would be created by adopting it have been down right prophetic. But then, as now, the sky was not actually falling. But we do have an incredibly unwieldy government that has become precisely what those who argued against its adoption warned of (those who opposed the constitution included people like Patrick Henry, and Thomas Jefferson).

Politics were every bit as divisive then as now. But they could discuss it intelligently & understand each other's views. And when, Ultimately it became obvious that the Constitution WOULD be adopted, Jefferson and others worked with what they had & made it the best government on the planet. Though one of the papers in it has me very curious about the Swiss System...
I recommend listening to it (and the Federalist papers - I'll get to them in a month or 2) to anyone who really wants to understand how politics work & often fail to work in our country & why.

BTW the election results on the original thread topic: the Denver Question on homeless failed. Might have been as much as 85--15 against.