1100 Turbo:Evolution vs TD at 10,000 feet, on a stock turbo.

cattracks · Jul 18, 2012

I am not drag racing in the flat land.
I would like to know which will offer more HP at 10,000 feet? On a stock turbo. Will the TD offer there claimed HP at 10,000 feet?
Or are they both going to deliver about the same 215 HP?

Vi-PEC Powersports · Jul 18, 2012

cattracks said:
I am not drag racing in the flat land.
I would like to know which will offer more HP at 10,000 feet? On a stock turbo. Will the TD offer there claimed HP at 10,000 feet?
Or are they both going to deliver about the same 215 HP?

TD reflash at 10 000 and up ft will need very lite additional tuning to be 100% effective, but the factory compensation tables are still in the ecu and will do the job at higher elevation too, just need a "certification"" i guess.

damx · Jul 18, 2012

I have the td 4 stage reflash on my 1100t I ride around 2000' too 5000' and it works awesome at elevation. My sure it will be fine at 10,000' just have alot less power. From what I have read 210 too 220 is max on the stock turbo at 10,000' know matter how you get the power ( reflash or tuner box ). I went with td. Because they raise the rev limit making the sled less knock senctive.

damx · Jul 18, 2012

Td will work at 7000' to 9000' I know because my deal has the flash and ride at that elevation

damx · Jul 18, 2012

Also precision e.f.i I seen In a different post u ride 0- 4500' a are now selling a programmer for mountain riders??? Have you tested at 10,000' ??

cattracks · Jul 18, 2012

I believe I have seen where TD is now testing at elkevation also. can any one confirm or discuss findings/ results?

damx · Jul 18, 2012

When I spoke to Ben at td, before i bought his reflash he said the new versions 18 or 19 were tested up to 8000' buy bike man performance. He did make changes to the organial flash for the higher elevation.

Vi-PEC Powersports · Jul 19, 2012

damx said:
Also precision e.f.i I seen In a different post u ride 0- 4500' a are now selling a programmer for mountain riders??? Have you tested at 10,000' ??

last winter we took the time to ride from 0-12500 ft to build our compensation tables for the 2 stroke ECU and it is the same for 4 stroke. we are ready.

Turbo Dynamics · Aug 2, 2012

The flash work at high altitude but they are not 100% certified, just tested by some of our dealers and customers. We will certify them in the very near future.

Turbo Dynamics · Aug 2, 2012

damx said:
I have the td 4 stage reflash on my 1100t I ride around 2000' too 5000' and it works awesome at elevation. My sure it will be fine at 10,000' just have alot less power. From what I have read 210 too 220 is max on the stock turbo at 10,000' know matter how you get the power ( reflash or tuner box ). I went with td. Because they raise the rev limit making the sled less knock senctive.

Thanks !

There is more to it than rev limiter. We have a lot of safety features, way more than a stock ECU. TD Knock light, TD Boost adjust (boost retard), the stock timing retard, Lower engine temp warnings. Knock reducing timing maps that still gives max power.

These TD tunes have over 100 000$ in development costs and it shows.

f7firecatkid · Aug 2, 2012

guy i bought my 12 1100turbo from had the td 4 stage on it and rode it out in the mountains andsaid it worked great. also eric at bikeman said that the td tune will work just fine in the mountains.

Turbo Dynamics · Aug 6, 2012

f7firecatkid said:
guy i bought my 12 1100turbo from had the td 4 stage on it and rode it out in the mountains andsaid it worked great. also eric at bikeman said that the td tune will work just fine in the mountains.

Thanks for the testimonial guys, that's what I hear as well. There is a good number of customers riding in the mountains with our reflash. However we have something new this year and HP will be way up even on stock turbo.

We just have to go ride with the new stage 5 in the mountain. I bet we get another 20-30HP over normal max HP !

nosajlleb · Aug 7, 2012

TD get us the hp numbers at elevation and the required testing however that is done. Another player in this segment is more than needed! Lookin forward to it. Competition will only bring out the best in everyone.

Turbo11T · Aug 7, 2012

nosajlleb said:
TD get us the hp numbers at elevation and the required testing however that is done. Another player in this segment is more than needed! Lookin forward to it. Competition will only bring out the best in everyone.

Agreed, Go to the mountains to test. Get a dyno at the parking lot anywhere above 7000 ft and test. Then go test in the powder.

Turbo Dynamics · Aug 7, 2012

nosajlleb said:
TD get us the hp numbers at elevation and the required testing however that is done. Another player in this segment is more than needed! Lookin forward to it. Competition will only bring out the best in everyone.

As soon as there is snow we're there...

Evolution Powersports · Aug 7, 2012

cattracks said:
I am not drag racing in the flat land.
I would like to know which will offer more HP at 10,000 feet? On a stock turbo. Will the TD offer there claimed HP at 10,000 feet?
Or are they both going to deliver about the same 215 HP?

All of our Z1/1100T tunes were developed and tested toward the end of 2010/2011 seasons at Rabbit Ears Pass, Buff Pass, ect (approximately 10'000') and throughout the 2012 season in Colorado, Utah and BC. Our stock turbo and big turbo mountain tunes are fully tested. Our high altitude shop is located at 7000' elevation and all tunes have been dyno'd and relentlessly tested in the field.

We have implemented advanced safety and running features into all of our stock turbo and big turbo tunes. Some of our features are: Raised rev limit with knock sensor scaled to match the new limit, lowered water temperature light, raised and smoothed idle, lower drive away temperature rev limit, ignition and boost retard for detonation, broad useable powerband, etc.

These tunes & big turbos kits flat out rock.

MikeM1000 · Aug 10, 2012

What's the diferance between Bikeman and TD I was under impression there the same?

Turbo Dynamics · Aug 10, 2012

MikeM1000 said:
What's the diferance between Bikeman and TD I was under impression there the same?

Bikeman is a Dealer/Distributor for TD.

Bikeman went at high altitude with tuners to confirm the TD 4 stage worked well up there as well. We made a small change and the tuners were happy with it.

MikeM1000 · Aug 10, 2012

when will stage 5 be out and what does it have over curent 4 pos set up and what will it cost

Turbo Dynamics · Aug 10, 2012

MikeM1000 said:
when will stage 5 be out and what does it have over curent 4 pos set up and what will it cost

Details will be released soon but we are looking at 1099$ minimum with a few options available. Max power will be higher than stage 4 regardless of altitude.

1100 Turbo:Evolution vs TD at 10,000 feet, on a stock turbo.

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