165 or 154?

logan1080 · Feb 29, 2016

So I just seen that the 2017 165" summit x is 5.3" longer than the 2017 154". With a 3.5" track pitch that means you get 1 more lug on the ground. Is the added weight/length really worth the extra lug? You will lose a bit of track speed so really are you gaining anything? Longer and more weight means you will lose flickability, but not much. I currently ride a 2015 154". I love it in the mountains and it climbs with the suspension setup right. I'm just wondering if I went to the 165 if it would be worth it. What would your choice be and why?

Ski-doo#1 · Feb 29, 2016

logan1080 said:
So I just seen that the 2017 165" summit x is 5.3" longer than the 2017 154". With a 3.5" track pitch that means you get 1 more lug on the ground. Is the added weight/length really worth the extra lug? You will lose a bit of track speed so really are you gaining anything? Longer and more weight means you will lose flickability, but not much. I currently ride a 2015 154". I love it in the mountains and it climbs with the suspension setup right. I'm just wondering if I went to the 165 if it would be worth it. What would your choice be and why?

Look into all of this a little bit more. This track is all new so the spacing in the lugs is different. Even with the added length I bet there is less lugs than the previous sleds. Ride one to find out. I willing to bet these things perform. The new track is lighter so when You say less track speed you are right if the track were heavier but this new track is actually lighter.

Chadly · Feb 29, 2016

I think it is a bummer Ski Doo is not in a hurry to flood the dealers with demos so we can decide. I am really concerned that being that the 165 is about the same length as the current 174, the 165 is going to handle more like a 174(ferry boat). The 850 154 is much closer to the length of the current 163 sled. Makes me wish I could try a 154. I am taking Tony's word for it though and spring checked a 165. I am still nervous about it...

Ski-doo#1 · Feb 29, 2016

I new 154 will climb right up there with the old 163 and the new 165 will climb right up there with the ol 174.

You'd be happy with the new 154 but ever since I went 163 I don't plan on going back down.

turboless terry · Feb 29, 2016

The 165 is for my wife. I would get the 154 if it was for me. Anyone that says you can't notice any difference is wrong. The extra length is in the front. Skinz like front so I'm guessing they won't ride as long as the 174 in some cases. If you rode 154's before, it's a no brainer. If you rode 162 before it could go either way because my bet is the new 154 beats the old 163 and the 165 beats the 174. Shorter and goes farther is a win win to me.

jim · Feb 29, 2016

After climbing steeper stuff this weekend with my 153" I'm pretty sure my next sled will be the mid 160s range (it might be the new summit...). That little extra bit simply prevents the sled from wheeling over on you at the steepest last bit of climbs.

nuttyn01 · Feb 29, 2016

track length

If you plan on a Big Bore or Turbo 165" for sure! Not to mention, the motor has been moved back in the chassis with no major changes to the rear skid. I cant imagine this chassis being anymore planted then the XM in the front.

MrIQR · Feb 29, 2016

Did the 146" get the new track?

Ski-doo#1 · Feb 29, 2016

MrIQR said:
Did the 146" get the new track?

The 146 is not in the new chassis. Only the new chassis and new motor got the new track.

It's funny because in 2015 they made a 146 summit XM then in 2016 they moved the 146 into the renegade backcountry. Now in 2017 the summit XM 146 is back. They also still have the renegade back country in 146

Snow4life · Feb 29, 2016

I have always had the 153,154, or 155, and have always said that is all I will ever have due to fun factor. Well this winter my old man bought a 174 and I took it on a trip with at least 3 ft of fresh snow, that changed my mind. I ordered a 165.

Briscoe · Feb 29, 2016

Sure wish I could have voted for a 174". ??

logan1080 · Mar 1, 2016

Briscoe said:
Sure wish I could have voted for a 174". ??

Haha sorry!

jim · Mar 1, 2016

Sure wish I could have voted for a 174".

I can assure you that anyone will be able to sell their 165 take-off for a nice chunk of change and get a 174 set-up for about the same price Doo would have upcharged for a 174 anyway. Open-ended tunnel will make any type of tunnel extension stupid easy if necessary.

UkrainianSnowKing · Mar 1, 2016

I also vote 174"

Deep Powder Guy · Mar 2, 2016

If your in the deep snow all the time the longer track is the ticket ... IMO the 165 is the perfect length .... 174 will outshine the 165 in the deep & steep on rare occasion, in the trees the 165 beats the 174 while the 154 rules the roost in the trees .... On the had pack the 154 wins hands down while the 174 is horrible on hard pack and trails.

Just my real world 2 cents.

DPG

logan1080 · Mar 2, 2016

Deep Powder Guy said:
If your in the deep snow all the time the longer track is the ticket ... IMO the 165 is the perfect length .... 174 will outshine the 165 in the deep & steep on rare occasion, in the trees the 165 beats the 174 while the 154 rules the roost in the trees .... On the had pack the 154 wins hands down while the 174 is horrible on hard pack and trails.

Just my real world 2 cents.

DPG

I love tree riding and I love my 154 in the trees. How much of a difference is there going to a 165 track? Only 1 extra lug.

Deep Powder Guy · Mar 2, 2016

logan1080 said:
I love tree riding and I love my 154 in the trees. How much of a difference is there going to a 165 track? Only 1 extra lug.

I dangle my 163 just fine.

DPG

greenthumb · Mar 4, 2016

I currently ride a 163 XM
I have ridden both lengths of the 17's in 2' of fresh.
I preferred the 165 over the 154 in the trees. Both the 3" and 2.5".
The 154 x 3 is a wheelie monster! Fun and quicker turning but not for me.

2014xm · Mar 5, 2016

My advice is go 165 its just as nimble but more track and get up in the deep snow I didn't have the 154 to ride but I would say you would of had a wheelie monster the 165 wheelied just stock so definitely the 165 if you are into the steep trees you'll really like it!

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