2017 MOTOTRAX/2017 XTRAINER

HELICO · Feb 14, 2018

Received an email this morning from Mototrax (I did tell them to take me off their list) but I guess they didn't.
MTX's email stated that they could sell me a 2018 kit and give me a $1050 rebate the biggest in the company's history.

IMO What MTX should do is give that $1050 and upgrades to every customer and people who have that bought used 2017 kits.
After all the 2017 kits needed all the 2018 upgrades to meet the standards that MTX put in their MARKETING of the 2017 kits.

Just make it right Mototrax and start off 2019 with a clean slate.
(I sold all (2 new 1 used) the 17 MTX kits I had, 50% off dealer cost & full disclosure about them.

Norma Stitz · Feb 15, 2018

I agree. Apparently the new owners don’t understand the situation they have created. I emailed them asking about the front yoke thing that I need for my 2017 that was apparently not needed last year “unless you’re racing” whatever that means. But this year suddenly it’s standard equipment.

Email was never responded to.

*Sigh*

Timberview01 · Feb 15, 2018

Norma Stitz said:
I agree. Apparently the new owners don’t understand the situation they have created. I emailed them asking about the front yoke thing that I need for my 2017 that was apparently not needed last year “unless you’re racing” whatever that means. But this year suddenly it’s standard equipment.

Email was never responded to.

*Sigh*

I had a similar experience. Ended up paying for the EVO link and ski mount as the "racer package" and now both are standard. Luckily, a local dealer has helped me get a few other things warrantied.

HELICO · Feb 24, 2018

IDS

IDS (Intelligent Damping Shock)
Got another email, another upgrade $$$

Thanks to the 2017 Mototrax R&D club.

Better reinforce the side panels and idler wheel cross shaft (the next weak points)

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dooman92 · Feb 24, 2018

That rear slide joint will continue to be a weak spot until they engineer that joint so that the male and female portions can stay in alignment while leaning. The worn bushings and broken male portion (at the cross shaft) are the result of binding/bending between male and female portions of the slide joint when leaned. A heim joint at the cross shaft male shaft connection would fix the issue. A heim joint and a little longer male and female portion would increase durability drastically. The main motolink connection is a heim, the slide joint behind it is subject to similar forces and should articulate the same. The springs and air shock thingy are band aids.

eric82930 · Feb 24, 2018

the air shock looks like a really good idea how hard would it be to lock the pivot on the main arm so it doesn't lean at all? With the new track it has the lean feature built in paddle design for hard surfaces anyway and in soft snow I don't think it needs to lean so much

HELICO · Feb 24, 2018

HELICO said:
IDS (Intelligent Damping Shock)
Got another email, another upgrade $$$

Thanks to the 2017 Mototrax R&D club.

Better reinforce the side panels and idler wheel cross shaft (the next weak points)

My point is you guys spent a lot of time & $$$ doing MTX's R&D and did not get compensated for your efforts. The pics shown are what I had to do to make the MTX work. I am out of the game now, its good to see that R&D team is still working together (some by choice some not)

dooman92 · Feb 24, 2018

eric82930 said:
the air shock looks like a really good idea how hard would it be to lock the pivot on the main arm so it doesn't lean at all? With the new track it has the lean feature built in paddle design for hard surfaces anyway and in soft snow I don't think it needs to lean so much

The lean factor is why I'm still riding a mototrax. Take away the lean and it has no advantage over any other kit. I also have the ts 2.5 track on mine. I can hold a turn much easier on the mototrax than on my timbersled. I can maneuver thru tight stuff easier with the leaning mototrax. It can be designed to lean durably but, they need to hire an engineer or experienced fabricator.

SnowSkull · Feb 26, 2018

dooman92 said:
The lean factor is why I'm still riding a mototrax. Take away the lean and it has no advantage over any other kit. I also have the ts 2.5 track on mine. I can hold a turn much easier on the mototrax than on my timbersled. I can maneuver thru tight stuff easier with the leaning mototrax. It can be designed to lean durably but, they need to hire an engineer or experienced fabricator.

Dooman92, Did you know SnowTech MX has an extremely durable & controlled pivot with lean?
I found the MT pivot to be unpredictable in high-speed & high-load situations, even with their "racer package"(haha) installed.

dooman92 · Feb 26, 2018

SnowSkull said:
Dooman92, Did you know SnowTech MX has an extremely durable & controlled pivot with lean?
I found the MT pivot to be unpredictable in high-speed & high-load situations, even with their "racer package"(haha) installed.

SnowSkull, Interesting, no I did not know snow tech mx had a pivoting system. Unfortunately, I've never seen a snow tech. I will check their web site for details. I take it you have ridden both. Any positive or negatives that come to mind?

Norma Stitz · Feb 26, 2018

Can anyone that has run the “racers” front yoke thing advise on its effect on handling? I’d consider fabricating one if it makes a big difference. If it’s only to hold the track on then I don’t need it as my track seems to stay on.

n16ht5 · Feb 26, 2018

dooman92 said:
SnowSkull, Interesting, no I did not know snow tech mx had a pivoting system. Unfortunately, I've never seen a snow tech. I will check their web site for details. I take it you have ridden both. Any positive or negatives that come to mind?

It's like comparing a tinker toy to a leihbherr. Snowtech don't mess around.

dooman92 · Feb 27, 2018

Norma Stitz said:
Can anyone that has run the “racers” front yoke thing advise on its effect on handling? I’d consider fabricating one if it makes a big difference. If it’s only to hold the track on then I don’t need it as my track seems to stay on.

I put the front yoke on last season, probably 50hrs without, 100 with. I did not notice any substantial handling change. It does stabilize the front of the rails somewhat and shares the load (keeping the rails parallel with the track) with the rear slide joint. That rear slide joint wears quicker without the yoke. As with other aspects of kit, I wasn't overly impressed with engineering of yoke. I replaced the male portion with a longer one so that it terminated outside rather than inside the bore of female portion. Their setup allowed the male shaft to wear and go out of parallel with bore. Also replaced plastic bushings on shock bolt that wear quickly, and provided means to grease all wear points. I feel the yoke or some means to stabilize the rails is necessary. Without you run the chance of breaking off that rear slide joint. Hope this helps..

SnowSkull · Feb 27, 2018

dooman92 said:
SnowSkull, Interesting, no I did not know snow tech mx had a pivoting system. Unfortunately, I've never seen a snow tech. I will check their web site for details. I take it you have ridden both. Any positive or negatives that come to mind?

Hey dooman92, yes rode the MT last season & beginning of this, before making the switch over to the SnowTech MX. Along with backcountry riding, I'm also racing in the AMA SnowBike Championship series, so I've been pushing the kits fairly hard. I could create a short story on the differences, but bottomline is that I'll never ride a MT again. The SnowTech MX just simply is what you imagined how a SnowBike should perform & holdup. If you make it to an AMA SnowBike race, or ever around Park City, Utah, I'd be more than happy to show you the SnowTech MX in person.

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