2019 Ascender Engine Fail

d1100t · Jan 3, 2019

As far as number of engines out there...

2017 Polaris had 33% MS and Cat has 16%. I would bet that has tightened some since 2017, but have not found any verifiable data on that. So you have roughly 2x the Polaris sleds in total. The 850 is a limited build (both 800 and 840 were built for 2019), so a general assumption would be there are similar (not suggesting exact) numbers of 2019 Cat 800 engines as there are 840 Polaris engines out there in 2019. If you consider the Cat 800 came out in 2018, there are likely “roughly” 2x as many 800 ctec engines on the market as there are 840 Polaris today.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to know how these numbers turned out also!

kidwoo · Jan 3, 2019

nw-sickboy said:
Must be hard having such a small dick.

Fits in your mouth just fine.

Idiots, I own arctic cats. And new stuff often gets reworked. This will too, just watch.

The alpha rails aren't cnc cut rails that bend. I've seen plenty of BENT rails but far fewer broken ones. The alpha design is different. How many BENT ones have you seen? The friggin shock mounts are breaking. That happen a lot on your dual rails?

summ8rmk · Jan 3, 2019

U guy's are in the wrong thread. This is the engine thread..
I've heard of a few Ctec2 800's go down these last 2 yrs.

I have broken shock mounts on the old school twin rail sleds. Cat, Doo and Poo...

kidwoo · Jan 3, 2019

summ8rmk said:
I have broken shock mounts on the old school twin rail sleds. Cat, Doo and

Now twin rails are old school!!!???

Elitist

summ8rmk · Jan 3, 2019

I'm just here to get the post counts up so, we can be like the Polaris Section!

kiliki · Jan 3, 2019

Polaris Motor sucks so bad that they're spilling into the cat thread now. Sheesh

john6719 · Jan 3, 2019

kidwoo said:
Fits in your mouth just fine.

Idiots, I own arctic cats. And new stuff often gets reworked. This will too, just watch.

The alpha rails aren't cnc cut rails that bend. I've seen plenty of BENT rails but far fewer broken ones. The alpha design is different. How many BENT ones have you seen? The friggin shock mounts are breaking. That happen a lot on your dual rails?

If the “repair” for both situations is replace the rail(s), who gives a flying duck. In both of the broken mono rail situations I’ve heard of, both were rideable to get out. In the one bent mono rail situation I’ve heard of, it was rideable to get out. How many twin tails are you bending back straight and hopping back into the mountains?

Polaris a-arms break, Cat a-arms bend. Different design ideas and both are junk when you ram into a tree.

summ8rmk · Jan 3, 2019

I still think the center bearings are the bigger issue on the 840.
Nobody really likes talking about them. Cause or solution.

kidwoo · Jan 3, 2019

john6719 said:
If the “repair” for both situations is replace the rail(s), who gives a flying duck. In both of the broken mono rail situations I’ve heard of, both were rideable to get out. In the one bent mono rail situation I’ve heard of, it was rideable to get out. How many twin tails are you bending back straight and hopping back into the mountains?

Polaris a-arms break, Cat a-arms bend. Different design ideas and both are junk when you ram into a tree.

It's a snowmobile, not a family member.

It's okay.

Breathe deeply. They're just machines.

You asked me what cat needed to figure out with the alpha rail and I answered you without using the word purple. You should respect that.

Want to place bets on whether or not they revise the design a little? I mean if there's nothing wrong with it, you've got nothing to worry about right?:face-icon-small-hap

kidwoo · Jan 3, 2019

summ8rmk said:
I still think the center bearings are the bigger issue on the 840.
Nobody really likes talking about them. Cause or solution.

Don't forget the detached oil lines and the outboard bearings that aren't even seated! Very minor things but still.......

first year, polaris, motor

I still can't even fathom how that made sense to anyone to take a chance on.

john6719 · Jan 3, 2019

kidwoo said:
It's a snowmobile, not a family member.

It's okay.

Breathe deeply. They're just machines.

You asked me what cat needed to figure out with the alpha rail and I answered you without using the word purple. You should respect that.

Want to place bets on whether or not they revise the design a little? I mean if there's nothing wrong with it, you've got nothing to worry about right?:face-icon-small-hap

So disagreeing with you with logical arguments means I’m defending Cat??? That’s an argument made by someone who can’t defend their position. Im just saying I think you’re wrong in your “strength” argument.

I hope they do redesign it slightly, but not due to breaking concerns. I don’t want it to eat hyfax if the track isn’t fiddle string tight.

I also want them to redesign the air intake so it doesn’t choke off and throw you over the bars in chest deep powder.

I also want them to change the gauge cluster mount so it isn’t so easily ripped off by a branch.

I don’t want them wasting time and weight making a skid stronger when I don’t think it needs to hold up to landing on a stump hard.

john6719 · Jan 3, 2019

kidwoo said:
It's a snowmobile, not a family member.

It's okay.

Breathe deeply. They're just machines.

You asked me what cat needed to figure out with the alpha rail and I answered you without using the word purple. You should respect that.

Want to place bets on whether or not they revise the design a little? I mean if there's nothing wrong with it, you've got nothing to worry about right?:face-icon-small-hap

And hey! It has feelings too...don’t call it just a machine!!!

summ8rmk · Jan 3, 2019

john6719 said:
So disagreeing with you with logical arguments means I’m defending Cat??? That’s an argument made by someone who can’t defend their position. Im just saying I think you’re wrong in your “strength” argument.

I hope they do redesign it slightly, but not due to breaking concerns. I don’t want it to eat hyfax if the track isn’t fiddle string tight.

I also want them to redesign the air intake so it doesn’t choke off and throw you over the bars in chest deep powder.

I also want them to change the gauge cluster mount so it isn’t so easily ripped off by a branch.

I don’t want them wasting time and weight making a skid stronger when I don’t think it needs to hold up to landing on a stump hard.

I just want the chest deep powder!

kidwoo · Jan 3, 2019

john6719 said:
I hope they do redesign it slightly, but not due to breaking concerns. I don’t want it to eat hyfax if the track isn’t fiddle string tight.

I meant that part too but breaking shlt is more dramatic.

john6719 said:
And hey! It has feelings too...don’t call it just a machine!!!

Only the orange ones have feelings. The other colors are souless hollow hulks of machinery with no sense of self.

True story.

summ8rmk · Jan 3, 2019

kidwoo said:
Only the orange ones have feelings. The other colors are souless hollow hulks of machinery with no sense of self.

True story.

I'll take an orange one!
I had the orange 14 le.
I like the 18 King cat!
Both of those sleds have good durable engines.(gotta throw in an engine comment every so often)
Not as crisp and peppy as the Ctec2 though.

john6719 · Jan 3, 2019

summ8rmk said:
I just want the chest deep powder!

Monday in West was that way. We were the only ones in Black Mountain. Rented a 165 Alpha since my 154 wanted to be a mono ski... it was everything it could do to get around in some of the spots. Doing down hill powder turns it would go straight over my head. Felt like I was driving a submarine! The wind really filled in some spots and hadn’t been there long enough to firm up.

summ8rmk · Jan 3, 2019

john6719 said:
Monday in West was that way. We were the only ones in Black Mountain. Rented a 165 Alpha since my 154 wanted to be a mono ski... it was everything it could do to get around in some of the spots. Doing down hill powder turns it would go straight over my head. Felt like I was driving a submarine! The wind really filled in some spots and hadn’t been there long enough to firm up.

What other sleds where with u?
How did they compare?
Of course i must ask, did the engine make it through the trip?

john6719 · Jan 3, 2019

kidwoo said:
I meant that part too but breaking shlt is more dramatic.

Only the orange ones have feelings. The other colors are souless hollow hulks of machinery with no sense of self.

True story.

No, no, no... orange sleds are like red heads. They have no souls. The purple ones are sensitive little beings with no sense of identity. They need great emotional support. They’re different than everyone and constantly teased as being a bit of a hermafrodite... if you support them, they will be there for you. If you tease them and push them away, they are suicidal. Mine jumped right into a tree because I let another person ride her without discussing it with her first.

john6719 · Jan 3, 2019

summ8rmk said:
What other sleds where with u?
How did they compare?
Of course i must ask, did the engine make it through the trip?

My buddy still rides his ‘16 Cat LTD. It wasn’t even close. He’s a better rider than I am by a fair margin. Raced pro for Cat several years back and has been riding back country since he was knee high to a grasshopper. Lighter, stronger, and 3x better shape... I can out ride him on my 154 fairly easily. When I jump on his after riding mine I’m stuck constantly because I’m used to the Alpha being able to climb out of situations you wouldn’t expect. Both engines are still going strong! The ‘16 has 3k miles, my ‘16 had 2,800 after last year. I’m at about 200 on my Alpha.

I rode an 850 Polaris in Rabbit Ears a couple weeks ago. I liked how crisp it was, but I don’t think it had the mid range of the Alpha and know it doesn’t have the traction. It didn’t blow up in the 5 min I rode it though, so that’s good.

kidwoo · Jan 3, 2019

summ8rmk said:
I like the 18 King cat!

You know we can see that when you post it, right?

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