MOTORIZED USERS read this!
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freezer burn is fictitious
That is one beefy survey. When they talk about off-road engines, I think they are referring to heavy construction equipment... but still theres some good ideas in there. It would be way cool if they can make N America a couple of degrees cooler, maybe drop the snow line 500 or 1000 feet. Make the lowlanders a little happier at least...
That is one beefy survey. When they talk about off-road engines, I think they are referring to heavy construction equipment... but still theres some good ideas in there. It would be way cool if they can make N America a couple of degrees cooler, maybe drop the snow line 500 or 1000 feet. Make the lowlanders a little happier at least...
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Why don't they just call it, "Run all business to Idaho" Bill. Someone in Montana State Government has a lot of free time on their hands. What the heck is a low carbon, low GHG (green house gas) fuel, anyways. I really can't think of one besides Geothermal, wind, solar, tidal, hydro, all not really fuels, and nuclear I can't see in a automobile. Wood pellets and some ethonal fuels can kinda be thought of as low carbon, but not really. Hydrogen is a energy storage method, not an actual fuel. Can't drill for hydrogen. And, if they think methane (CH4) or Natural Gas is low carbon, they got a bit of math to do. Must be great for one state to save the world.
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That's an interesting point about so-called 'low carbon' fuel. But anyway, wouldn't methane be as low as you can get for anything with carbon in it? Makes two waters for every carbon released. Maybe there are bigger molecules that contain proportionally less carbon but are more energy dense? Hey, and there's TNT, its zero carbon.
Also, oxidizing the carbon in gasoline is a chemical reaction and so is oxidizing hydrogen in so-called 'fuel cells'. Hydrogen can be mined from water. How come you say H is not a fuel?
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I just realized that toluene is carbon rich, so there's no carbon solution in TNT afterall.
That's an interesting point about so-called 'low carbon' fuel. But anyway, wouldn't methane be as low as you can get for anything with carbon in it? Makes two waters for every carbon released. Maybe there are bigger molecules that contain proportionally less carbon but are more energy dense? Hey, and there's TNT, its zero carbon.
Also, oxidizing the carbon in gasoline is a chemical reaction and so is oxidizing hydrogen in so-called 'fuel cells'. Hydrogen can be mined from water. How come you say H is not a fuel?
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I just realized that toluene is carbon rich, so there's no carbon solution in TNT afterall.
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Depends upon the "general public's" definition of a fuel. Hydrogen fuel is more akin to compressed air as a fuel source. It doesn't exist naturally, you have to put energy in to create it. Specifically, you have to put more energy in to it, than you will ever get back out of it. Hydrogen production is incredibly inefficient. The actual definition of a fuel includes Hydrogen fuel, but it's misleading, there's no good word in English to describe it.
Besides Nuclear doesn't oxidize, but it's a fuel. I think of a fuel as a energy source, not a energy storage mechanism. Otherwise compressed air and water behind a dam is a fuel.
Trinitrotoluene (TNT) ==> C6H2(NO2)3CH3 Lots of carbon.
Besides Nuclear doesn't oxidize, but it's a fuel. I think of a fuel as a energy source, not a energy storage mechanism. Otherwise compressed air and water behind a dam is a fuel.
Trinitrotoluene (TNT) ==> C6H2(NO2)3CH3 Lots of carbon.
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Well, I sorta see why you divide hydrogen from conventional fuels, but if hydrogen doesn't occur naturally, and if it isn't a fuel, what makes sunshine?
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Silly me, I limited my definition to the planet. Your right, on the sun hydrogen is a fuel, and so is every element produced by it, up until about iron.
Gravity Powered Lamp
Yha, I know gravity doesn't power it, but it is the potential energy storage mechanism.
Gravity Powered Lamp
Yha, I know gravity doesn't power it, but it is the potential energy storage mechanism.
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So the message I'm receiving from this one is that some idiot in MT wants to make the state officially go green.
I'm in Idaho, but with one state making changes, normally other states follow.
So what's the plan of attack here?
I'm in Idaho, but with one state making changes, normally other states follow.
So what's the plan of attack here?
Not sure if there is an organized plan of attack.....other than getting everyone we can to fill this thing out. Here is the other info that came along with this email:
I think it is about time to get Schweitzer out of office! He has come up with some crazy sh!t in my opinion.
"I really can't think of one besides Geothermal, wind, solar, tidal, hydro, all not really fuels, and nuclear I can't see in a automobile."
Oh yeah, I can see me on a nuclear powered APEX...talk about fuel mileage....wow!
"I really can't think of one besides Geothermal, wind, solar, tidal, hydro, all not really fuels, and nuclear I can't see in a automobile."
Oh yeah, I can see me on a nuclear powered APEX...talk about fuel mileage....wow!
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Nuclear powered Apex. That would be something, I guess.
I think my wife has nuclear powered farts..... Does that count? lol
Ya, I know.
Boo Hiss
I think my wife has nuclear powered farts..... Does that count? lol
Ya, I know.
Boo Hiss
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I did fill it out, complete with comments where applicable.
Let me re-word my basic question as I think I worded it poorly.
I was actually looking for a specific person or office to send letter to.
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