Thats good to know , have not been on the vipec forum for awhile .
You may be right and once you have a apex set up , running, tuned and come to Revey. that i can see for my self , i will stick with what i am running.
the point is we are interested in developing a PnP ecu for nytro/apex, not me building a race sled to go beat you in revy....
I know you are not trying to build are race sled and i did not want to race you , just would like to see your sled run and maybe drive it .
Cam ( lightspeed) does very well in the tuning busisness with cars , but in tuning my sled it was a sh!t show to say the least , useing so many tables , overlay maps etc , it was a computer nerds nightmare .
at least he tried where you couldn't find nobody to go on that venture with you right? probably he learned a lot also from that venture.....might be another story now after 3-4 years don't you think? it can be totaly different,maybe not.
I would never be someone giny pig again , when i took my sled to Cam , he said this would be easy , simple , he would have it installed and tuned within days , and my sled would fly and run forever , 3 year , after many, many trips tuning to the mountain , farmer fields , there i was still sitting there with a blow motor . I am happy with what i have now and until someone has something on the snow that i can see , drive ( not race )
The way Jim (OSP) started me off was simple , something i could work with , because for now , until someone get this standalone thing worked out and working like a factory installed ECU , the buyer / rider has to do his own tuning , so keep it simple .
i agree with you.
OK agreed , i think you are setting thing up different then how i am set up now and i do not want to start over again unless i can see for myself that is is better.
The only other way is to get it in the hands of the turbo kit builders , have them tune it for there kit in all condition and then sell it as a kit , and i think this is what you are trying to do
yes you are right, we are willing to offer efi class to turbo kit manufacturer so they can tune their kit by themselves , in fact 4 turbo kit company are now running our ECU for this year(you will know wich in a few weeks!)
That is good news , , hope they can get them tuned and deal with and custumers that have problems , not fun e-mailing data logs back and forth trying to work any problems out.
, but until I see it with my own eyes it is all here say , i have been sold so much sh!t by turbo kit builder that was suppose to work just to end up spending more money , my time getting it to work for them , just to have them wanting you to tell them what you did to get it working or having them telling you what you did will not work.
the industry is growing and in a better way.....
Maybe , hope so .
So yes , i some what believe in what you are trying to do , but until you do it , try not to tell others what they are doing wrong
why are you frustrated?? i offered our tuners expertise for free and you are mad?
Not frustrated or mad , thanks for the offer , very kind of you , and if we ever meet up , i may take you up on your offer .
all i know is i have a apex running stock compression , 3076 turbo , two sets of stage 700cc injectors , running at 11,600 rpms up to 25lbs of boost on C-12 and it rips , has very good throttle responce on boost or off boost .
Still think we can help you make it better(on mapping) and for free.
You could be right , i am not what i would call a tuner , but i am please with what i have for now .
Hope this year you do make the trip to Revey, that you were suppose to last year , until then
to be honest, we decided to go to cooke city (USA) for testing because we felt we were not welcome and it was to hostile in western canada, still not sure why tough...we have made great connections and great friends this winter in the USA, probably same will happen this year in western Canada( we hope). if i ever meet you in revy, i won't be on an apex/nytro, i will be on a pro or proclimb 2 stroke turbo.
