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Low boost fuel mix at low elevation.

mn2mtns

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I have a 2007 700 dragon RMK with a boondockers race gas turbo setup. I just put on my low boost actuator as I will be spending the next two weeks riding around Minnesota. I am wondering if anyone has a best guess what fuel mix I can get by with at 6-7 psi of boost as I really don't want to run straight race fuel at 1000' just cruising around with my family. I have Sunoco 112 to mix with 91 and just looking for some intelligent guesses from experience.
 
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^^^^^:thumb:


If you go by boondockers chart, they show 7psi is right there at the split of mix fuel and straight 108 at sea level. Pretty sure you would be safe at 50/50 and at that Avgas would be sounding really good to me.

Not sure where in MN you are but the AirNav fuel prices for random MN airports range from $3.85/gallon to $4.85/gallon.

100LL is 99.5MON
 
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I run 6 psi on 91 at 1250 feet no problems. Put 50/50 91 pump/av gas and now running 8 psi same elevation no problems
 
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I just put a low boost actuator on aswell and im wondering what the lowest boost you should be able to get out of it is i cant get lower then 5.5 does this sound about right. And thanks for the advise on the fuel i was looking for the exact same info think im going to go wiht av gas Becuase im at about 2500. Does anyone no what a guy should be able to run for boost at about 7000 to 10000 feet with av gas.
 
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i just rode 350mi last weekend up north. ran 6psi boost. I mixed 20% avgas with pump premium ran flawless all weekend. Basically 2gl 100LL avgas per tank. Absolutely ZERO signs of deto on plugs and pistons. The weekend before I ran a tank of straight avgas through it at 10psi this all at like 1100ft elevation. This isn't a boondocker kit though, so you should probably follow there suggestions.
 
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^^^^^:thumb:


If you go by boondockers chart, they show 7psi is right there at the split of mix fuel and straight 108 at sea level. Pretty sure you would be safe at 50/50 and at that Avgas would be sounding really good to me.

Not sure where in MN you are but the AirNav fuel prices for random MN airports range from $3.85/gallon to $4.85/gallon.

100LL is 99.5MON

I thought 100LL was closer to 105MON?

Also I paid $3.90 for avgas, and pump premium was anywhere from 3.10 to 3.70 where we were riding up north.
 

mn2mtns

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I ended up running 50/50 race fuel/91 octane at 6psi max and it ran flawlessly. This was at between 1100 and 1400 ft. I could probably go with a little less race fuel too but never messed with it. I would agree that 5.5 - 6 psi is about the least you can get to with the low boost actuator from Boondockers.
 
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POLARIS600cc

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I ended up running 50/50 race fuel/91 octane at 6psi max and it ran flawlessly. This was at between 1100 and 1400 ft. I could probably go with a little less race fuel too but never messed with it. I would agree that 5.5 - 6 psi is about the least you can get to with the low boost actuator from Boondockers.

Didn't I read somewhere your running a low comp turbo head from brad? If thats the case you should call him. I bet you could get away with straight pump premium at 5-6psi in MN.
 

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Good call Brady. I talked to him and he figgered it would work fine. Thought maybe to try it close to straight 91 and if that worked fine try it straight. That turbo head I have is 12:1. Had a good visit too about how far I can go with that head on the other end of the range with straight 112, 110 motor octane. It should be fun. I can get you a head if you want one.
 
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I thought 100LL was closer to 105MON?

Also I paid $3.90 for avgas, and pump premium was anywhere from 3.10 to 3.70 where we were riding up north.


According to BP's website it is minimum 99.5 MON. Thats where I got my info.

Sunoco 110 is 105MON


Heres some info from conoco phillips. Look down to the octane lean. That is the MON rating.
http://www.experimentalaircraft.info/doc/Avgas-specs.pdf

Additives - AO Antioxidants mg/gal 45.4
Additives - Conductivity Conductivity Improver 842
Additives - Dye Blue Dye mg/gal 10.2 805
Additives - General Note General Note 878
API Gravity (60 Deg F) D 4052 Density & Rel Dens API Report
Appearance D 4176 Wtr & Part Cont, Proc 1 Pass 841
Color, Visual D 2392 Color of Dyed Av Gas Blue
Copper Strip Corrosion D 130 Cu Str 2 Hr @ 212 F Rating 1b
Dist 10 Vol% Evap D 86 Dist at Atm Press Deg F 167
Dist 10%+50% Evap D 86 Dist at Atm Press Deg F 275
Dist 40 Vol% Evap D 86 Dist at Atm Press Deg F 167
Dist 50 Vol% Evap D 86 Dist at Atm Press Deg F 221
Dist 90 Vol% Evap D 86 Dist at Atm Press Deg F 275
Dist End Pt, corr D 86 Dist at Atm Press Deg F 338
Dist IBP, corr D 86 Dist at Atm Press Deg F Report
Dist Loss, corr D 86 Dist at Atm Press Vol% 1.5
Dist Recov, corr D 86 Dist at Atm Press Vol% 97
Dist Residue D 86 Dist at Atm Press Vol% 1.5
Freeze Pt D 2386 Freeze Pt by manual Deg C -58 808
Lead (Pb) D 5059 Lead by X-ray Spec gPb/gal 2.12
Lead as TEL eq D 5059 Lead by X-ray Spec ml TEL/gal 2.00
Net Heat of Combustion D 3338 Net Heat of Comb BTU/lb 18,720 835
Octane, Lean Number D 2700 Knock Charac by Motor 99.5
Octane, Performance No. D 909 Knock by Supercharge 130.0 809
Ox Stab, Lead Precip D 873 Ox Stab, 5 hrs aging mg/100ml 3 851
Ox Stab, Potential Gum D 873 Ox Stab, 5 hrs aging mg/100ml 6 851
Sulfur D 2622 S by X-ray Fluo Spec Wt% 0.05
Vapor Pressure (ASTM D 5191 VP Grabner (ASTM eq) psi 5.5 7.1
Water Rxn Vol Change D 1094 Water Rxn by manual ml + or - 2
Other - See Note Referee Methods 826

Other - See Note Test Tolerances


From Shell
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7671746/ASTM-D-910-(Grades-Avgas-100-and-Avgas-100LL)

Typical Properties
Property
Max Value
Min Value
Knock Rating, Lean Mixture (Motor Method) Octane Number 99.5
Knock Rating, Rich Mixture (Supercharge Method) Performance Number 130
Freezing Point ºC -58
Distillation end point ºC 170
Reid Vapour Pressure @ 38ºC kPa 49 38
Sulphur content %m 0.05
Tetraethyl lead content gPb/l Avgas 100LL 0.56

Colour Blue


From BP, Though I have found other literature from BP stating that the Motor octane is 99.5 minimum, this is what is shown.
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...s_pdfs/a/air_bp_products_handbook_04004_1.pdf

BP AVGAS 100LL​
Specifications​
British Def Stan 91-90
USA ASTM D910​
Typical Properties​
Knock rating
Lean mixture, aviation rating 105
Rich mixture, supercharge method 133
Tetraethyl lead, gPb/l 0.52
Colour Blue
Specific energy, net, MJ/kg 43.73
Density at 15ºC, kg/m​
3 715
Distillation
Initial boiling point, ºC 41
10% vol. evaporated at ºC 58
40% vol. evaporated at ºC 92
50% vol. evaporated at ºC 101
90% vol. evaporated at ºC 128
Final boiling point, ºC 156
Sum of 10% and 50% evaporated temperatures, ºC 164
Recovery, % vol 98
Residue, % vol 1
Loss, % vol 1
Vapour pressure, kPa 41.6
Freezing point, ºC below -60
Sulphur, % mass 0.0003
Copper strip corrosion (2h at 100ºC) 1
Existent gum, mg/100ml 1
Oxidation stability
Potential gum, mg/100ml 0.5
Lead precipitate, mg/100ml 1.0
Water reaction
Volume change, ml Nil

Interface rating 1
 
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POLARIS600cc

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Yea I did some research as well. The minimum MON is 99.5 but if you actually test a sample its usually 102-103MON

Either way, its cheap alternative to "race" fuel, and has been proven to work awesome in turbo 2smokers.
 
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Yea everything I read calls out minimum 99.5 So I have just figured on all of it being 99.5. For my modest power it works great. I run 50/50 at 8psi with 0 detonation.

Reason I posted all that is there is a lot of guys that have posted before that its 95 octane, which is wrong.
 
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POLARIS600cc

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Yea, there is a few local dirt track guys around here that have used it for years. They have sent various samples to various test labs and all came back 102-103MON for 100LL
 
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MON stands for Motor Octane number.

Typical pump gas is rated by AKI or Anti knock index. That is a number derived from RON(research octane number) + MON/2 Or as stated on the pumps R+M/2

The MON is what you need to be concerned with. 92 octane pump gas is 87MON, Most 110 race fuels are 105MON and av is 99.5.
 
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oh right on im running a turbo m8 that im not really convinced that i can run straight pump. Do you think i should be fine to run half and half pump and AV gas. where i live is about 2500 M and then i ride usually around golden or revvy sometimes valemount and mcbride but i dont think its any higher then 10000 anywheres usually around 7000 i think. Some more advise is appreciated thanks
 
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well i was told at 2500 i shouldnt go over 5 but im not sure i think i am going to try about 8 this weekend at 7500 with 50 percent av gas
 
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