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Power claw on the axys.

damx

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Well I installed a 162x3" power claw on my 163x2.6" axys rmk. I used avid 7t 3" pitch drivers and anti stab kit. This track just fits with the stock rails, with the axle all the way forward, and 10lbs. on the track i have 3/4" between sliders and the track. The only spot I'm a bit worried about is the very back/top of the axle adjuster slot, i only have 1/4" of clearance there. It's a new track and should stretch 1/2" the first couple rides I'm hoping.
 

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Im still running the 3" powerclaw tight on my axys. It doesnt like to be run as loose as I do on my cat.
 

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CO 2.0 how tight are you running your pc 3" on the axys, just run it to polaris track spec. ?
 

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I installed one halfway into last season on my 16' 3" and used my stock drivers. PC track was super tight when installing and axle was full forward as well.
Rode approx 400 km on it and had snugged it up once so far.
I run the 3 finger rule with it, and only ratcheted twice this past spring. Really liking this track, but the first packed downhill descent you do with it will bring you back to your childhood crazy carpeting days lol. After the first large one, you will be good to go, as you will know what to expect.

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I installed one halfway into last season on my 16' 3" and used my stock drivers. PC track was super tight when installing and axle was full forward as well.
Rode approx 400 km on it and had snugged it up once so far.
I run the 3 finger rule with it, and only ratcheted twice this past spring. Really liking this track, but the first packed downhill descent you do with it will bring you back to your childhood crazy carpeting days lol. After the first large one, you will be good to go, as you will know what to expect.

So you took off the center driver then? You are not running any extrovert on the drivers then and relying only on the track nubs?
 

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So you took off the center driver then? You are not running any extrovert on the drivers then and relying only on the track nubs?

Correct, Went old school on this one.
Figured I would try it first before spending another $400 in extroverts. Going to continue to run this setup again this season.

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Some thoughts from another post a while back.

Loose is NOT good... Not if you want your track to perform.

Heres my 2 cents. From experience and talking to some of the best in the industry including Camoplast and FTX.

The newer single ply tracks just do not tolerate looseness as much as the older 2 ply tracks did.

A loose track is MUCH more prone to stabbing.



From a previous post

Al, I've seen this argument before... I'll give my point of view here... [IMO]. I present this after talking to the people at Camoplast, and other respected people in the field like Jack Struthers.

An OVER-tightened track IS counter productive to performance as you say... not to pe confused with a Properly tightened track.

Since the weight of the sled presses the track against the hyfax (in use, compared to on the stand) the 'loosness' in a loose track has to happen some where... the track does balloon at the top unless the track is unloaded or catches some air.

As much as the track is pulled on the top by the driver, it is "pushed" past the hyfax on the bottom.

The physics of a track and tension / take-up are NOT the same as a chain drive under load. In a sled, the track is what transfers the power to the ground... not transferring power to something else that transfers the power (like in a motorcyle with the sprocket/tire being driven).

With a loose track... the tunnel side of the track cycles thru a herky-jerky motion of going from banjo-string tight to ballooning out as you run with the inherrent loading and undloading of the drivetrain that a sled goes thru in accelleration, dealing with terrain and braking... even more exagerated by the large amount of weight that you added with the studs on your semi-long track ripsaw.

As you point out a properly adjusted track DOES rely on the track being pulled past the rear ider. A looser track cant do this all the time and this is what causes the problems... the loosness in the track has to go somewhere... that somewhere ends up being the distortion of the track as it is crammed past the hyfax or gets tripped up in the drivetrain. This distortion of the track lays the paddles down and tilts the clips on edge which can also accellerate hyfax wear.

As the track leaves the driver, a loose track will get bunched up at the front of the rail... in that situation the rails must strip the loose track from the driver and Force the track down along the rail/hyfax... A loose track does not get "pulled" around the rear idler like a properly tensioned track does.

In this age of single ply tracks, seen mostly on the mountain sleds, the belting of the track is not a rigid as a multi ply track.. they are even more susceptible to this bunching-up of the track as it leaves the drivers.

When the track bunches up between the driver and rail.. this is where the 'stabbing' occurs.

The best analogy of the bunching up that I can think of of is kind of like watching a drag racing tire "wrinkle" as it launches... not a direct analogy... but something that shows the kind of hook-up that a sled with good traction is getting.

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I run a 155" to 159" track, NO bogie wheels, standard Hyfax and Avid Drivers with trimmed rails. I run the Factory prescribed tension on the track. I have yet to stab a track or wear out a set of hyfax during the season but I do replace them long before they are needed at the beginning of each season.

I have also never smoked a bearing on a driveshaft, (caused by proper tension on a track) but I have replaced them as part of PM on sleds over 2500 miles to protect my ride time on the sled... none of the drive shaft bearings removed on the end or in the case have ever been worn out. I have had jackshaft bearings go on me though, but have since switched out to a greasable PTO side setup and hope for better results there.

IMO, if a loose track gave better performance... the factory race teams would be running that on the snowcrossers and oval track sleds. In this never ending game of trying to outdo each other, the factories would not leave something as easy to fix on the table...again IMO.
and my .02 on the track tension...I realize that grass/dirt is different than snow but in our years of testing with timing lights for grass drags, a snugger track was ALWAYS faster than a looser track. Didn't matter how much power , how much traction or how long the track was... it maintained its rotational shape better and et's dropped. Lots of great points made above about this subject.

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That rubber wrinkle though!! :heart::heart::heart::heart:


Okay I'll go back and read what you said...
 

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I concur on the proper track tension. Loose is slow and here is why;
Years ago I ran the Alcan 200 highway race. After tuning everything else on the sled to perfection, we then focused on track tension. Too loose and the track follows the drivers around too far and slaps the rail tips (this is what causes the track stabbing phenomon common on Cats who recommend a looser track) as that is the only thing there to straighten it back out. With the track properly tensioned it makes a smooth seemless transion from driver to the rail ( well below the rail tip). We were able to gain about 5 MPH by fine tuning track tension and getting the belly out between the driver and the rails.

They may roll easier in the garage when looser, but it robs horsepower and performance when actually riding.

You can chose where you want the most out of your sled; in the garage / trailer or on the snow?
 
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