BULLSH** POLARIS (ELECTRIC RELAYS IN HARNESS GO BAD FROM WATER INTRUSION)

cdebodt44 · Feb 5, 2017

AndrettiDog said:
I've read through this topic again and I still don't think anyone has answered where the relays are. It sounds to me like there are three for the non electric start sleds. Two in plane view behind the pipe tied to the over structure. Supposedly another in the velcro bag above the clutches but I haven't found it yet.

Then...there seems to be two for the electric start sleds? yes/no?

The only relay that has been identified is the shed relay which is in the velcro bag. I'd like to know which one is tied to the oil pump. I think that one started to fail for me.

I have the non es model. I have the two on the overstructure in the picture which I believe are for the exhaust valves and the oil pump and the one in the Velcro bag which from what I've read is the load shed relay. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I have a total of 3 relays

AndrettiDog · Feb 5, 2017

cdebodt44 said:
I have the non es model. I have the two on the overstructure in the picture which I believe are for the exhaust valves and the oil pump and the one in the Velcro bag which from what I've read is the load shed relay. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I have a total of 3 relays

I worked on my sled today and found the same thing. However, I haven't confirmed what each relay is for. The two on the over structure had corrosion for me. The one in the velcro bag wasn't too bad. I replaced all three.

Visi · Feb 5, 2017

I had no guage and exhaust valve issues yesterday. Not happy. Taking it to the dealer tomorrow. Hope they have some relays handy because I didn't buy any before they were sold out.

Sage Crusher · Feb 6, 2017

AndrettiDog said:
Then...there seems to be two for the electric start sleds? yes/no?

Yes for the ES equipped sleds- as stated in my post there are 2 relays on the harness (1) right after the solenoid (1) right above the last lead right to the negatave battery post.
I do not know their function- but can tell you they are the same numbers as the ones for the power valves and shed relays...
Strange that these were the only 2 of the 5 that had Zero green gunk on them- but have been subject to a good cleaning and a dab of Di-grease

Ken Climb · Feb 9, 2017

So with the song chung relays out of stock, will these panasonic relays work? Panasonic # CM1a-12v sealed 12v Micro-ISO SPDT 35-amp
http://www.mouser.com/search/Product...ualkeyCM1a-12V

Murph · Feb 9, 2017

Ken Climb said:
So with the song chung relays out of stock, will these panasonic relays work? Panasonic # CM1a-12v sealed 12v Micro-ISO SPDT 35-amp
http://www.mouser.com/search/Product...ualkeyCM1a-12V

Weird, I pulledthat part number up and it says SPST but your description says SPDT. Single throw won't work in dual throw application.

mountainhorse · Feb 9, 2017

I believe that all of the AXYS relays are SPDT's...but I believe only used as an N.O. SPST's

87a, pin #4 in the socket is unused on All...so it won't matter if it is a SPDT or SPST... so long as the SPST is a N.O. (Normally Open) configuration.

SPDT
The middle of the three bottom pins is not used (87a)

SPST
Notice, no middle pin (87a)

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mountainhorse · Feb 9, 2017

New deal ... but where ship from ??

New source (possibly)

$1.13 each... (10pc min order) shows in stock...BUT... where is it shipping from... what is shipping cost?

Maybe one of you can find out??

http://www.futureelectronics.com/en...?ProductID=8711CSR112VDCSONGCHUAN1055063&IM=0

Also, Waytech shows in stock at $2.55 each.

But same questions as above??

https://www.waytekwire.com/item/75721/Song-Chuan-871-1A-S-R1-12VDC-Micro-Relay-/

Note: Edited first link...Thx Murph !

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Murph · Feb 9, 2017

Future is in Canada, Singapore, England

Waytech is in Minnesooooooda

Both of those are "flux tight" vs "sealed"

mountainhorse · Feb 9, 2017

Thank You Murph

Looks like the Canucks get a better price for a change !!

Sorry, Wrong link at the Future Electronics...
Here is the right one. $1.13 each
SEALED SPST
http://www.futureelectronics.com/en...?ProductID=8711CSR112VDCSONGCHUAN1055063&IM=0

The Waytech link is for a sealed one....
SEALED SPST
871-1C-S-R1-12VDC

S-R1

https://www.waytekwire.com/item/75721/Song-Chuan-871-1A-S-R1-12VDC-Micro-Relay-/

As shown in the Polaris Diagram.... You CAN use an SPST (Single Pole, Single Throw) in place of the SPDT (Single Pole, Double Throw)

Murph said:
Murph said:

Weird, I pulledthat part number up and it says SPST but your description says SPDT. Single throw won't work in dual throw application.

Click to expand...

mountainhorse said:

I believe that all of the AXYS relays are SPDT's...but I believe only used as an N.O. SPST's

87a, pin #4 in the socket is unused on All...so it won't matter if it is a SPDT or SPST... so long as the SPST is a N.O. (Normally Open) configuration.

SPDT
The middle of the three bottom pins (87a) is not used on the AXYS-800's

SPST
Notice, no middle pin (87a)

.

Click to expand...

mountainhorse · Feb 9, 2017

Maybe Polaris could take a page from the Cat playbook for 2018.

OMG...What's that??? .... A sealed fuse/relay box?? whodathunkit?

New relay/fuse box on Cat. (thx 2.0!)

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adamg · Feb 11, 2017

mountainhorse said:
Maybe Polaris could take a page from the Cat playbook for 2018.

OMG...What's that??? .... A sealed fuse/relay box?? whodathunkit?

New relay/fuse box on Cat. (thx 2.0!)

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Well there you go, Cat jumped ahead to the future of 1940's technology. Unfortunately Polaris is still playing around with 1905 technology here.

User Name · Feb 12, 2017

Had this issue Saturday and stopped in Weller in Kamas UT. They said Polaris came out with a fix but said it was not quite a recall. Only got the fix if you brought your sled into the dealer with that issue. Sled is at Fast Track in Heber so interested to see if it comes back any different

Mishtar · Feb 14, 2017

So for people who are moving them what part needs to face up? I have 0 mechanical skills so excuse the ignorance.

Don

Murph · Feb 14, 2017

User Name said:
Had this issue Saturday and stopped in Weller in Kamas UT. They said Polaris came out with a fix but said it was not quite a recall. Only got the fix if you brought your sled into the dealer with that issue. Sled is at Fast Track in Heber so interested to see if it comes back any different

keep us posted-- preferably with a photo.

Murph · Feb 14, 2017

Mishtar said:
So for people who are moving them what part needs to face up? I have 0 mechanical skills so excuse the ignorance.

Don

Wires down, relays on top

mountainhorse · Feb 16, 2017

Has anyone ordered from these sources yet??

Murph said:
Weird, I pulledthat part number up and it says SPST but your description says SPDT. Single throw won't work in dual throw application.

mountainhorse said:
Thank You Murph

Looks like the Canucks get a better price for a change !!

Sorry, Wrong link at the Future Electronics...
Here is the right one. $1.13 each
SEALED SPST
http://www.futureelectronics.com/en...?ProductID=8711CSR112VDCSONGCHUAN1055063&IM=0

The Waytech link is for a sealed one....
SEALED SPST
871-1C-S-R1-12VDC

S-R1

https://www.waytekwire.com/item/75721/Song-Chuan-871-1A-S-R1-12VDC-Micro-Relay-/

As shown in the Polaris Diagram.... You CAN use an SPST (Single Pole, Single Throw) in place of the SPDT (Single Pole, Double Throw)

mountainhorse said:

I believe that all of the AXYS relays are SPDT's...but I believe only used as an N.O. SPST's

87a, pin #4 in the socket is unused on All...so it won't matter if it is a SPDT or SPST... so long as the SPST is a N.O. (Normally Open) configuration.

SPDT
The middle of the three bottom pins (87a) is not used on the AXYS-800's

SPST
Notice, no middle pin (87a)

Click to expand...

bailer · Feb 16, 2017

I decided I better grab a spare relay just to be on the safe side. Shame to be stranded with an easily swapped piece.

My dealer had CR-1's as parts stock. He grabbed a new relay off a snowchek that was sitting on the floor, SR-1. Price was ridiculous as expected, $34 with tax I think.

Come to think of it, I bet we could sub in relays from the e-start end of things for say the power valve or load shed relay if having trouble out on the hill ??? I haven't read anything about that so far......anybody care to comment??

beamslayer · Feb 17, 2017

So does anyone have it nailed down yet where to purchase them yet ? Dose Mouser have them back in stock or are there some where else ?
Would like to have a spare also .
Thanks do all for their due diligence .

#1 Wife · Feb 20, 2017

beamslayer said:
So does anyone have it nailed down yet where to purchase them yet ? Dose Mouser have them back in stock or are there some where else ?
Would like to have a spare also .
Thanks do all for their due diligence .

There are a couple sellers flogging them on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Polaris-Snow...8-/262862625199?ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:CA:1123

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