How to Hang with the 1100t

jakim · Aug 24, 2011

So my two riding buddies snocheck ne 1100t pro's. Will my beloved 09' M1k be able to hang with them in the real steep and deep powder. It has a full SLP exhaust and has been on a diet all summer long. I am thinking about going with a 3" track to even it up some. We ride from Sea level to 6000ft so loosing HP is not a problem. Am I in trouble?:face-icon-small-fro

Icedog · Aug 24, 2011

jakim said:
So my two riding buddies snocheck ne 1100t pro's. Will my beloved 09' M1k be able to hang with them in the real steep and deep powder. It has a full SLP exhaust and has been on a diet all summer long. I am thinking about going with a 3" track to even it up some. We ride from Sea level to 6000ft so loosing HP is not a problem. Am I in trouble?:face-icon-small-fro

If you aren't in trouble your buddies are gonna be some grumpy when you get back to the hotel.:face-icon-small-win

justinkredible56 · Aug 24, 2011

jakim said:
So my two riding buddies snocheck ne 1100t pro's. Will my beloved 09' M1k be able to hang with them in the real steep and deep powder. It has a full SLP exhaust and has been on a diet all summer long. I am thinking about going with a 3" track to even it up some. We ride from Sea level to 6000ft so loosing HP is not a problem. Am I in trouble?:face-icon-small-fro

Only a guesstimate, but I would bet that you would take them at sea level...but there's no hills to climb at sea level. I would bet that they would take you at 6k feet.

jakim · Aug 24, 2011

justinkredible56 said:
Only a guesstimate, but I would bet that you would take them at sea level...but there's no hills to climb at sea level. I would bet that they would take you at 6k feet.

Exact opposite. Coast of Alaska we ride from sea level and within about 45 minutes we are at 6000ft.

ACMtnCat · Aug 24, 2011

I'd say you'll be close to them in climbing maybe beat them at that elevation. Put a 3" track on and dominate the climbs! Drag racing I'd say they will kill you at both low and high elevations. Thats just a guess tho!

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 24, 2011

Depends on if they leave them stock,

I would think you will do fine, and if they lip off just dive into the trees

907to406 · Aug 24, 2011

jakim said:
Exact opposite. Coast of Alaska we ride from sea level and within about 45 minutes we are at 6000ft.

I was just going to say, the mountains in Alaska come right out of the sea and you can be up to elevation in one climb. I think you'll do just fine with the M1000 against the new sleds...miss riding up in AK and the power at sea level

jakim · Aug 24, 2011

907to406 said:
I was just going to say, the mountains in Alaska come right out of the sea and you can be up to elevation in one climb. I think you'll do just fine with the M1000 against the new sleds...miss riding up in AK and the power at sea level

It is pretty cool to gain 2700ft in one chute, but these new 1100's have got me a little nervous. I am sure they will leave them stock at least for the first year. Maybee I should just order the 3" and not worry about it. I am not good enough at tuning to put a turbo on mine.

Coldfinger · Aug 24, 2011

WyoBoy1000 said:
Depends on if they leave them stock,

I would think you will do fine, and if they lip off just dive into the trees

That's funny.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 24, 2011

jakim said:
I am not good enough at tuning to put a turbo on mine.

The right kits don't take much to tune, I spend all of 2 short climbs and a few minutes to check the tuning for the day and it is very simple, get twisted, the m1000 is one of the coolest sleds ever on boost, the bottom end pull is unreal.

Bearcat · Aug 24, 2011

justinkredible56 said:
Only a guesstimate, but I would bet that you would take them at sea level...but there's no hills to climb at sea level. I would bet that they would take you at 6k feet.

This pic is taken in 900 meters. Those peaks at right go up to 1800 meters and lake down there is at 250 meters. Place is in Sweden

Here's another from Sweden. Pic taken around 1000m and peak opposite goes up to 1800m.

907to406 · Aug 24, 2011

I wouldn't waste the coin on a 3 inch track, go ride with them and see how your sled hangs and go from there. If its that big of a difference (I doubt it will be) and it really bums you out upgrade next year. Also I think your right about not getting a turbo for AK. From my understanding of turbos and elevation you'd have to run a real high octane gas to run it at lower elevations and would still have to run it at low lbs of boost. It wouldn't be worth the turbo kit and gas money. But I could be totally wrong about this, I just know theres not a lot of guys running turbo 2strokes in AK, and especially since your riding up there where you rarely exceed 7k in elevation your not losing that much power from a naturally aspirated motor vs the guys riding out west where we are starting our ride at 6-7k and spending most of our time at 9k-11k

At least you can admit that you aren't comfortable tuning a turbo sled, especially if your out of Valdez. It might be a little hard to get things dialed in without some guys with experience with similar set-ups running around (seems like half the sleds in the mountains out west here are on boost now days) and without a dealer for the turbo kit nearby you very well may end up spending more time and money on tuning, waiting for parts/emails/info and burning down pistons than riding. Winter is short enough already to be out a week or 2 here and there for sled problems.

If anything get a fuel controller, get your clutching dialed in and maybe change your gearing if you haven't already. You should be able to make an M1000 an honest 190-198hp machine at sea level while keeping it naturally aspirated.

Keep us posted though on how yours and your buddies sleds compare.

jakim · Aug 25, 2011

907to406 said:
I wouldn't waste the coin on a 3 inch track, go ride with them and see how your sled hangs and go from there. If its that big of a difference (I doubt it will be) and it really bums you out upgrade next year. Also I think your right about not getting a turbo for AK. From my understanding of turbos and elevation you'd have to run a real high octane gas to run it at lower elevations and would still have to run it at low lbs of boost. It wouldn't be worth the turbo kit and gas money. But I could be totally wrong about this, I just know theres not a lot of guys running turbo 2strokes in AK, and especially since your riding up there where you rarely exceed 7k in elevation your not losing that much power from a naturally aspirated motor vs the guys riding out west where we are starting our ride at 6-7k and spending most of our time at 9k-11k

At least you can admit that you aren't comfortable tuning a turbo sled, especially if your out of Valdez. It might be a little hard to get things dialed in without some guys with experience with similar set-ups running around (seems like half the sleds in the mountains out west here are on boost now days) and without a dealer for the turbo kit nearby you very well may end up spending more time and money on tuning, waiting for parts/emails/info and burning down pistons than riding. Winter is short enough already to be out a week or 2 here and there for sled problems.

If anything get a fuel controller, get your clutching dialed in and maybe change your gearing if you haven't already. You should be able to make an M1000 an honest 190-198hp machine at sea level while keeping it naturally aspirated.

Keep us posted though on how yours and your buddies sleds compare.

Thanks a lot. Sounds like good advice. I dont have to be on top just don't like holding everyone up. I think the clutches are dialed in real good (after puting in MDS weights (91.5 gr), the sled makes good power. I have read pros and cons about gearing and have left it stock (60/60) and also left the Helix stock(36 deg). Maybe there is more to gain there if I need to.

Icedog · Aug 25, 2011

jakim said:
Thanks a lot. Sounds like good advice. I dont have to be on top just don't like holding everyone up. I think the clutches are dialed in real good (after puting in MDS weights (91.5 gr), the sled makes good power. I have read pros and cons about gearing and have left it stock (60/60) and also left the Helix stock(36 deg). Maybe there is more to gain there if I need to.

You won't hold them up for sure. I'd think the difference will be very small, and I love the idea of diving off into the trees. I ride a nicely modded non-turboed M8, and when the turbo's start poking a hill I just go find some trees and rip it up in there until they are ready to move on to the next bowl. I have a 162 M8 SP ProClimb snow checked, but I think I'm just gonna stick with my M for one more year and pick up a nicely modded ProClimb next year that has a year of tuning under it's belt.:thumb:

justinkredible56 · Aug 25, 2011

jakim said:
Exact opposite. Coast of Alaska we ride from sea level and within about 45 minutes we are at 6000ft.

Sounds like I REALLY need to go ride in Alaska... :face-icon-small-hap

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 25, 2011

jakim said:
Thanks a lot. Sounds like good advice. I dont have to be on top just don't like holding everyone up. I think the clutches are dialed in real good (after puting in MDS weights (91.5 gr), the sled makes good power. I have read pros and cons about gearing and have left it stock (60/60) and also left the Helix stock(36 deg). Maybe there is more to gain there if I need to.

If you havent put extra motor mounts in they will help and raise your rpm so you can add more weight and more power to the ground

jakim · Aug 26, 2011

WyoBoy1000 said:
If you havent put extra motor mounts in they will help and raise your rpm so you can add more weight and more power to the ground

I have installed two additional motor mounts but not a torque stop. Do you think I should be swinging more weight. Its pretty steady at 7450-7600.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 26, 2011

jakim said:
I have installed two additional motor mounts but not a torque stop. Do you think I should be swinging more weight. Its pretty steady at 7450-7600.

Which mounts did you install

jakim · Aug 26, 2011

I had the dealer install them when I bought it. I think it is just the m7 mounts. The only one that I have noticed is on the fron case of the block that you access from removeing the belly pan. Not sure where the other one is. I have been running the 060 belt and getting about 450 miles on a belt.

WyoBoy1000 · Aug 26, 2011

I think you would benefit from the linderman mount. I tried the 060 but the way I am constantly in the throttle for minutes the 060 gets to sticky and pulls down the performance, I would prob run the 046, but it takes a little more weight to get the rpms down.

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