"Epic fail?" Hyperbole is not a substitute for fact.
Rev Gen 4 2018.
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"Epic fail?" Hyperbole is not a substitute for fact.
Just to be clear the "50 cc" extra from the 850 was not meant to make power. With the same exact bore, but a longer stroke it was meant to make torque. Bigger bores make power, hence "Big Bore Kits" Ski-doo still managed getting 5 extra horse out of it than the 800 E-TEC. People who are all excited that the extra 50 from the 850 isn't doing anything need to understand it wasn't supposed to aid the power.
So it brought torque, which brings responsiveness, plus better clutching system to the track, plus better traction. Wow look at that. No more wondering why this thing is so good.
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Yes, this motor needs to be loaded and the stock clutching leaves a bunch of top end on the table so does the Gearing.
If you are looking to do drag races you need a bit of fine tuning everything you need to dominate is there just needs a bit of Massaging to be all it can be.
Now all that said I want a new frond end with a single 12" ski up front super narrow running boards.
Snow-bike ? No, a stand up Jet-ski for snow :face-icon-small-hap Yeah baby that will be the next step.
If you are looking to do drag races you need a bit of fine tuning everything you need to dominate is there just needs a bit of Massaging to be all it can be.
Now all that said I want a new frond end with a single 12" ski up front super narrow running boards.
Snow-bike ? No, a stand up Jet-ski for snow :face-icon-small-hap Yeah baby that will be the next step.
Lmao. What a crock of crap. I had an axys rider today ask me if my 850 was turboed. When I told him it was stock except the can and clutching, he was surprised because "it sure runs like a turbo sled". His words not mine.
I can believe it because I spanked an 850 with my 850.
To say that Doo put an extra 50cc's just for torque? I don't buy that at all. Factories make bigger motors for more top end. Buyers think bigger motors are going to pull that much harder.
I am snow checking this spring, and yes I ride a Cat right now. A couple of weeks back, my buddies and I took out a 17' Doo 850 and a 17' Axys. Yes the Doo does have a little more power than the Axys but all of us can admit that it is not that much. Yes the Doo does have a stronger midrange and top end, but the Axys feels every bit as good on the bottom end. Is it the clutching? Is is that the Axys rides lighter? Whoever says it "smokes" an Axys just isn't being truthful with themselves.
Yes, I will probably snow check a Doo, for one reason only. I HATE the Poo running boards!!! When you have a size 13 boot, they are just too narrow. That is how close these two sleds are in my honest opinion. I expected this Doo to kill the Axys but it is actually very close.
The Poo seems like it is going to power out, but just seems to find the power to keep going. The Doo seems to just want to scream, but seems to trench more.
As for 18' changes, I would like to see the following.
1. Angle the gauge to face the rider, I personally like to keep an eye on my RPM's, etc.
2. Fix the clutching issues.
3. Fix the S and E module/Bulkhead issues.
I know everyone will scream, but this is a truthful opinion.
I am snow checking this spring, and yes I ride a Cat right now. A couple of weeks back, my buddies and I took out a 17' Doo 850 and a 17' Axys. Yes the Doo does have a little more power than the Axys but all of us can admit that it is not that much. Yes the Doo does have a stronger midrange and top end, but the Axys feels every bit as good on the bottom end. Is it the clutching? Is is that the Axys rides lighter? Whoever says it "smokes" an Axys just isn't being truthful with themselves.
Yes, I will probably snow check a Doo, for one reason only. I HATE the Poo running boards!!! When you have a size 13 boot, they are just too narrow. That is how close these two sleds are in my honest opinion. I expected this Doo to kill the Axys but it is actually very close.
The Poo seems like it is going to power out, but just seems to find the power to keep going. The Doo seems to just want to scream, but seems to trench more.
As for 18' changes, I would like to see the following.
1. Angle the gauge to face the rider, I personally like to keep an eye on my RPM's, etc.
2. Fix the clutching issues.
3. Fix the S and E module/Bulkhead issues.
I know everyone will scream, but this is a truthful opinion.
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Anyone else smell that stink? The **** is getting REAL DEEP!
I don't understand hating narrow running boards. If you don't like them you don't like them. I mainly ride on the outside edge anyway. My boots are size 12. You don't need 1 foot wide boards if the traction is good. There is a reason they are that narrow. The 850 would go through the snow better if they were that narrow. I guess I always thought Polaris boards were the best.
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I cannot comment on anything you said but the quoted statement above.
I know cold starts, as I've never kept my sleds in a heated garage prior to riding. We are in the -30s (celcius) for a long time, usually end of December to end of February it can go as low as -40 in the night time and warm up to -20 during the day, with a freak really warm (-10 to -15) spell every so often..
I've never seen a Pro or Axys hard to start in cold temps. In fact I had 2 800etecs not start a couple times that were parked right next to a Pro ride 800 that started 2nd-3rd pull every time.
I have yet to have an issue with starting my 800 axys in cold temps. twice this winter I've started it at -30 and it was a little boggy, and even fouled the plugs both times. but at least it started..
My 800 etecs were great the first year for starting in the cold, every year after was terrible.. I've heard it is from the build up of condensation.. not sure though..
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My 16 800 etec outpulls the stock 850s I ride with so why wouldn't an axys. The 850 is a nice sled but it not groundbreaking!!! And my 800 is stock other then a bit of pin weight in the clutch.
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You either have a dry sense of humor or a slight case of retardation. Your basing your "dusting" on a drag race on the trail.....between mountain sleds?? Guess what bro.....a 1995 indy 500 will "dust" both of them on the trail.
If your xm pulls away from an 850, that is a piss poor running 850. And the same goes if an axys pulls away from an 850. Maybe the stock clutching in an 850 is really that bad but I've never ridden stock clutching so I wouldn't know.
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The're not racing a indy 500 , they're racing each other , seems like a good comparison , if you're comparing drag racing . You should also line them up on a climb, see how they'd do , i bet they both beat the indy 500.
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Lol. Heres one the reasons they need the extra 50 cc's, the snow build up is absolutely brutal compared to cat and axys. 2 of these were on saturday 2 on sunday , snow was a bit different consistency but same result.
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850s run fine no doubt they feel quicker reving due to new clutch and track but not enough of a change to get off my XM. The 850 is nice ride and as long as your happy that's all that matters but I am not convinced it is the best sled out there. The 850 does hold an edge better! All the new sleds have an advantage over one another in different areas.
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Back on topic hoping for 900 ace turbo for 2018. Wife's sled and Sea-Doo have that motor it's amazing, just needs a little boost. Before everyone gets upset about 4 stroke weight do your research that motor is light. Weighs the same a 600 etec with estart in a renny!! 477 for 600 etec +25 pounds for estart is 502 and 900 ace is 503. Don't try and tell me estart isn't 25 pounds because I have done my research and know the real weight penalty to estart and am happy to haul the extra weight around.
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Nice inside scoop!
Good find! with all the green clothing do you think one of the colors will Green
Remote coupler is interesting..
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